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Jul 21, 2015 11:52:15   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Thanks OddJobber, Is the aspect ratio set at 3:2
OddJobber wrote:
Perfect example and a situation a lot of us get into. Stupid jay lands a little too far away, 400mm is not quite long enough to zoom in and he won't wait for you to get closer. So you take the shot then figure out what you can do with it.

Original, 5184 X 3456 pixels (18 MP), 5.5 megabyte file.
Going back to the link provided by genessi on page 1, this will print well at 16 X 24, but the bird's lost in the tree.

Cropped version, 1304 X 810 pixels (1 MP) 3 megabyte file.
Now you're cropped down to only 5% of the original image.
Good for viewing on the internet and still has good detail, but for printing, 4 X 6 is about all you can hope for.
OK for a photo album but it will never be a wall hanger.

One more thing. You have to watch your aspect ratio. This was shot at 3:2. If you decide to try an 8 X 10, 5:4 ratio, the print will be clipped pretty close to the tail and beak. When I want a print of any size, I go to the original and make a crop specially for that size with the aspect ratio preselected.
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Jul 21, 2015 11:57:19   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Genessi wrote:
Thanks OddJobber, Is the aspect ratio set at 3:2


Yes, the full image as shot is 3 pixels wide for every 2 pixels tall. But some cameras use different ratios.

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Jul 21, 2015 12:24:30   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Thank for your help.
OddJobber wrote:
Yes, the full image as shot is 3 pixels wide for every 2 pixels tall. But some cameras use different ratios.

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Jul 21, 2015 13:19:43   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
I have a Nikon D5200, a standard DSLR camera. I just checked a photo in Photoshop by clicking "view in Browser" which brings up a window that looks at photos in given file folder on your computer. All the exif data is displayed in a column on the right. It took a little searching, but it looks like there is an indicator that says "Exposure Mode", on mine it said Auto on the first one and subsequently I did some bracketed exposures for HDR and the indicator changed to "Manual" so I think the info you are searching for is accessible in the data.
As far as enlarging, you can enlarge to any size you want, despite what anybody else says. I had an early DSLR, the Canon 5 megapixel D60, and I too came up with a "money shot" that people were buying. One customer wanted a large print to hang over his sofa, meaning like 48"x60" a real whopper! I used a special enlarging program called "Genuine Fractals", at the time it was like $100 and enlarged it to that size, the digital file was like 360 megbytes, I put in on a CD and took it to a commercial printer, who for a fee, at that time it was less than $100, made a print at the required size. I was amazed to find it perfect, no pixelation whatever. The customer was happy and I made a nice profit in the end.
As far as cropping goes, that is a judgement call, I almost aways do a little cropping to make a balanced composition, there may be an unwanted object on the side that can be removed that way, or too much sky can be fixed, or it you want to center the area of interest more. Just be sure to keep a high resolution setting on the cropping tool.
Tip for enlarging, (if you don't use a special enlarging program) try only 10% at a time. If it is 8x10, the first enlargement should only add .8 to the width, so make it 8.8 inches, then 9.6, 10.2 etc untill you get to the preferred size. I tried that and then compared to one I enlarged in one shot, and sure enough, when I zoomed in closely with the magnifying tool the 10% method did have superior detail.
The huge 24 megapixels the D5200 has makes superior cropping and enlarging possible even more so than a camera that has fewer megapixels.
Genessi wrote:
Just say that I produced an absolute winning photo And I was able to sell it Do I make a duplicate Can i crop and make this same photo better and how much should I crop. Also when I download to computer and look at info about photo how do I know if it was manual setting or AV, or TV

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Jul 21, 2015 13:41:45   #
RICARDOOO Loc: Findlay, Ohio
 
Genessi wrote:
Just say that I produced an absolute winning photo And I was able to sell it Do I make a duplicate Can i crop and make this same photo better and how much should I crop. Also when I download to computer and look at info about photo how do I know if it was manual setting or AV, or TV


I crop until I am happy with the image...after all it is my image so it is my choice

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Jul 21, 2015 13:51:20   #
phkowalchuk Loc: Aurora, CO
 
Genessi wrote:
Just say that I produced an absolute winning photo And I was able to sell it Do I make a duplicate Can i crop and make this same photo better and how much should I crop.


I might not understand what you are asking...or the answers you have received, but if I make a photo and someone wanted to buy it, I would sell the photo that someone saw and want to buy. I wouldn't make any changes; if I did, it wouldn't be the photo s/he wanted to buy. Of course, if I thought it would benefit from a crop or any other adjustment, I would discuss it with the buyer. But, and this is important, I don't offer any photos for sale that aren't just the way I want them.

For instance, my daughter, for whom I would do anything in this world, wanted a crop of a multi-photo stitched panorama I had made for her office. She gave me a couple of pan photos she'd like to have cropped. After looking at all of them, there was only one I would crop (and in fact was very close to a single image I made of the scene prior to making the images for the stitch). I made the crop she wanted on that image alone. For my own reasons as the artist, I told her I would not alter the other photos; no problem. Of course, I didn't charge anything for the photo, but I'd have made the same decision had it been for a sale.

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Jul 21, 2015 13:51:47   #
tomcat
 
Genessi wrote:
Thank you birdpix, looking at the exif data doesn't tell me if it was shot in M, AV or TV and that's what i was wanting to know


Dude, you took the picture! Don't you know what your camera was set on when you took it??

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Jul 21, 2015 14:24:51   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
tomcat wrote:
Dude, you took the picture! Don't you know what your camera was set on when you took it??


DUDE - don't you ever change your camera settings when you are out shooting many images of different subjects? I certainly do, and I suspect that most others do also. It is certainly not possible, practically speaking, to keep track of what setting you used for each image unless you are wasting time noting every detail down on paper.
Just my thoughts on your response.

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Jul 21, 2015 15:19:09   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Well thanks for all this information George I see the exif info but don't see exposure mode, I have a mac.
georgevedwards wrote:
I have a Nikon D5200, a standard DSLR camera. I just checked a photo in Photoshop by clicking "view in Browser" which brings up a window that looks at photos in given file folder on your computer. All the exif data is displayed in a column on the right. It took a little searching, but it looks like there is an indicator that says "Exposure Mode", on mine it said Auto on the first one and subsequently I did some bracketed exposures for HDR and the indicator changed to "Manual" so I think the info you are searching for is accessible in the data.
As far as enlarging, you can enlarge to any size you want, despite what anybody else says. I had an early DSLR, the Canon 5 megapixel D60, and I too came up with a "money shot" that people were buying. One customer wanted a large print to hang over his sofa, meaning like 48"x60" a real whopper! I used a special enlarging program called "Genuine Fractals", at the time it was like $100 and enlarged it to that size, the digital file was like 360 megbytes, I put in on a CD and took it to a commercial printer, who for a fee, at that time it was less than $100, made a print at the required size. I was amazed to find it perfect, no pixelation whatever. The customer was happy and I made a nice profit in the end.
As far as cropping goes, that is a judgement call, I almost aways do a little cropping to make a balanced composition, there may be an unwanted object on the side that can be removed that way, or too much sky can be fixed, or it you want to center the area of interest more. Just be sure to keep a high resolution setting on the cropping tool.
Tip for enlarging, (if you don't use a special enlarging program) try only 10% at a time. If it is 8x10, the first enlargement should only add .8 to the width, so make it 8.8 inches, then 9.6, 10.2 etc untill you get to the preferred size. I tried that and then compared to one I enlarged in one shot, and sure enough, when I zoomed in closely with the magnifying tool the 10% method did have superior detail.
The huge 24 megapixels the D5200 has makes superior cropping and enlarging possible even more so than a camera that has fewer megapixels.
I have a Nikon D5200, a standard DSLR camera. I ju... (show quote)

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Jul 21, 2015 15:24:54   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Thanks, I Just didn't know that when you cropped pic if there were certain ratio you had to go by.
RICARDOOO wrote:
I crop until I am happy with the image...after all it is my image so it is my choice

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Jul 21, 2015 15:29:06   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
DUDE - don't you ever change your camera settings when you are out shooting many images of different subjects? I certainly do, and I suspect that most others do also. It is certainly not possible, practically speaking, to keep track of what setting you used for each image unless you are wasting time noting every detail down on paper.
Just my thoughts on your response.


:thumbup:

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Jul 21, 2015 15:34:28   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
That is the best answer. Thanks, Love your input!
phkowalchuk wrote:
I might not understand what you are asking...or the answers you have received, but if I make a photo and someone wanted to buy it, I would sell the photo that someone saw and want to buy. I wouldn't make any changes; if I did, it wouldn't be the photo s/he wanted to buy. Of course, if I thought it would benefit from a crop or any other adjustment, I would discuss it with the buyer. But, and this is important, I don't offer any photos for sale that aren't just the way I want them.

For instance, my daughter, for whom I would do anything in this world, wanted a crop of a multi-photo stitched panorama I had made for her office. She gave me a couple of pan photos she'd like to have cropped. After looking at all of them, there was only one I would crop (and in fact was very close to a single image I made of the scene prior to making the images for the stitch). I made the crop she wanted on that image alone. For my own reasons as the artist, I told her I would not alter the other photos; no problem. Of course, I didn't charge anything for the photo, but I'd have made the same decision had it been for a sale.
I might not understand what you are asking...or th... (show quote)

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Jul 21, 2015 15:44:22   #
phkowalchuk Loc: Aurora, CO
 
Genessi wrote:
That is the best answer. Thanks, Love your input!


Thank you; I'm glad I was able to help.

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Jul 21, 2015 16:51:19   #
Violameister Loc: michigan
 
Re cropping. I do (almost) all my photography to create travelogues and other slide shows which I project on an 8 foot wide screen. My projector is a standard HD 1920X1080 pixels. My camera takes 4000X3000 pixel images, so there is plenty of leeway for cropping while still projecting a full resolution image. I mention all this only to point out that the answer to the questions of "how much cropping?" and "how much resolution?" are entirely dependent on the desired end use of the image; and mine gets discussed very seldom.

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Jul 21, 2015 16:51:28   #
Violameister Loc: michigan
 
Sorry double click

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