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Jun 22, 2015 11:18:58   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
tomeveritt wrote:
Absurd analogy, today's DX images are superlative. Keep it up and people will believe such BS.
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Someone poop in your Cheerios this morning, Tom? :XD:

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Jun 22, 2015 11:29:54   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Toment, problem is, If you ONLY view on a monitor, it will never matter! Any 3000x2000 image will more than fill any monitor, so anything will look good. Now if you're actually gonna print, especially cropped or big, it could make a noticeable diff. ;-)
SS


Sharp shooter is correct. Just like cell phone pictures look great on a cell phones, but if you try to make an enlargement, the image falls apart. If budget is no problem, get the FF camera and know that you are getting the best image you can.

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Jun 22, 2015 12:34:10   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
I use both sorts on my D800--and have never noticed any difference--photo paper can only accept about 250 DPI no matter what you throw at it
Stan

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Jun 22, 2015 12:41:17   #
farnsworth52 Loc: W. Pa.
 
While we are on this subject. Can someone answer this with experience in their knowledge. If I shoot with a FF camera at 16megapixs and shoot the same pic with a crop camera at 24 megapix and enlarge so both are 16X20 identical images,will their be that much difference in the final images

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Jun 22, 2015 13:22:57   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
farnsworth52 wrote:
While we are on this subject. Can someone answer this with experience in their knowledge. If I shoot with a FF camera at 16megapixs and shoot the same pic with a crop camera at 24 megapix and enlarge so both are 16X20 identical images,will their be that much difference in the final images


Good question...

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Jun 22, 2015 13:35:00   #
sonic Loc: chesterfield UK
 
I am no expert , but would say no , unless the photo was taken in low light .
but i could be and probably am wrong .

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Jun 22, 2015 13:35:10   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Toment wrote:
Is there a way to tell if a capture is from a FF or from a crop camera?
Other than EXIF data?
Because if there isn't, I'm not going to wait til HFO to get a new Canon...


I don't know what camera you have but I changed the labeling in camera of the photos.

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Jun 22, 2015 13:46:41   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
farnsworth52 wrote:
While we are on this subject. Can someone answer this with experience in their knowledge. If I shoot with a FF camera at 16megapixs and shoot the same pic with a crop camera at 24 megapix and enlarge so both are 16X20 identical images,will their be that much difference in the final images


you need to be more precise in your question if you stood in the same spot using the same focal length lens then the full frame would have a wider angle of view. if you moved back to get the same angle of view then you would change the depth of field.

http://howmuchblur.com/#compare-1x-50mm-f1.4-and-1.5x-50mm-f1.4-and-1x-50mm-f2.8-and-1.5x-50mm-f2.8-on-a-0.9m-wide-subject

heres a comparison

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Jun 22, 2015 13:52:21   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
The difference is you probably paid too much for your FF camera.

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Jun 22, 2015 14:15:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Toment wrote:
Is there a way to tell if a capture is from a FF or from a crop camera?
Other than EXIF data?
Because if there isn't, I'm not going to wait til HFO to get a new Canon...

This isn't exactly what you are asking, but it does show the difference in view between lenses and cameras.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9059751105/photos/2518330/olympus-zuiko-lens-field-of-view-comparison

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Jun 22, 2015 18:38:35   #
Karl Shuffler Loc: Weinert, Texas
 
The difference in cameras should not be measured by size of sensor, but rather the size of pixels as to its' size times the number there of equal the needed size of sensor for that size pixel. Therefore a ff camera having 16Mp. compared to a crop frame camera having 24 Mp has much large size pixels. What does this mean? Having larger protons collects more light, collecting more light allows for capabilities to have higher ISO. Making it perform better in low light. Better performance and better picture in such situations. Pixels are not jammed in full frame compaire to crop. However if different sensors and having the same count would be a more of fair comparison. There is also a difference between full frame lens vs crop lens as well. Glass definitely makes a difference due to the amount of glass being used. To see the difference will be more evident in enlargement, for as you enlarge, pixels enlarge with it. No planning to enlarge, you will not tell except camera performance capabilities. This would be true also with having more pixels. Why do you think pro cameras have medium count of pixels count? Better camera performance. Better in low light, higher ISO, great for more shots per second. Pictures may not look better, but you'll be able to get shots that crop sensor just.missed.

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Jun 22, 2015 19:26:35   #
farnsworth52 Loc: W. Pa.
 
Karl Shuffler wrote:
The difference in cameras should not be measured by size of sensor, but rather the size of pixels as to its' size times the number there of equal the needed size of sensor for that size pixel. Therefore a ff camera having 16Mp. compared to a crop frame camera having 24 Mp has much large size pixels. What does this mean? Having larger protons collects more light, collecting more light allows for capabilities to have higher ISO. Making it perform better in low light. Better performance and better picture in such situations. Pixels are not jammed in full frame compaire to crop. However if different sensors and having the same count would be a more of fair comparison. There is also a difference between full frame lens vs crop lens as well. Glass definitely makes a difference due to the amount of glass being used. To see the difference will be more evident in enlargement, for as you enlarge, pixels enlarge with it. No planning to enlarge, you will not tell except camera performance capabilities. This would be true also with having more pixels. Why do you think pro cameras have medium count of pixels count? Better camera performance. Better in low light, higher ISO, great for more shots per second. Pictures may not look better, but you'll be able to get shots that crop sensor just.missed.
The difference in cameras should not be measured b... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jun 22, 2015 20:13:01   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This isn't exactly what you are asking, but it does show the difference in view between lenses and cameras.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9059751105/photos/2518330/olympus-zuiko-lens-field-of-view-comparison

IQ is great with any combo!
Maybe I should switch to Nikon?

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Jun 23, 2015 02:34:54   #
Shutter Bugger
 
Could depth of field be a clue, especially if one knew the focal length and f stop used?

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Jun 23, 2015 02:37:53   #
Shutter Bugger
 
sonic wrote:
I am no expert , but would say no , unless the photo was taken in low light .
but i could be and probably am wrong .


I'm inclined to agree. If photos are taken in marginal conditions,
every other thing equal, the larger sensor would win imho.

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