Crop sensor vs Full frame...extra reach myth?
Apr 5, 2012 14:08:00 #
Jer wrote:
I have a Canon 5d mii, I would never go back toa crop frame. Don't get me wrong, I like crop frames but in a full frame you get better low light, and the lens' work properly since you don't have to apply a crop factor. Also, I try to take all of my pictures using the full sensor so I don't have to crop to take advantage of the 21 megapixals.
You forgot to mention looking through that big viewfinder.
Apr 5, 2012 14:47:33 #
6 pages so far and they're still going at it,not even a new subject,and some people still don't "get it",whether they claim to understand math or not. Might be a good idea to go back and read the original srticle referred to by the original post. By the way, again, once one decides to get the ff camera BECAUSE of this article,it might be missing the point and falling for the old routine that "if i get this better(?) camera i'll be able to take better pictures".
Bah humbug! It's still the photographer not the black box
Bah humbug! It's still the photographer not the black box
Apr 5, 2012 14:51:40 #
jenny wrote:
6 pages so far and they're still going at it,not e... (show quote)
You are wrong!!!!!!!
It's 8 pages.
Everything else you said is right though.
Apr 5, 2012 15:15:16 #
RichardSM wrote:
Hi GoofyNewfie br br The math is still the same n... (show quote)
Coming soon from Ken Rockwell:
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I've just shot the Nikon D4, D3, D800, D7000 and the Canon 5D, 5D Mark II, 5D Mark III and the Fuji X-Pro 1 and X100 in the lab against each other at all ISOs.
My mouse will have to travel a few miles for me to process all the images and share them with you. Results? D800 is better than D4 is better than D3. Ta da!]
Apr 5, 2012 15:15:53 #
DougW
Loc: SoCal
who cares how many pages? We all are gleaning information that can help us improve our craft. I for one gained much food for thought. :-)
Apr 5, 2012 15:27:38 #
DougW wrote:
who cares how many pages? We all are gleaning information that can help us improve our craft. I for one gained much food for thought. :-)
YES!!!
I'm an old pro and the longer I'm involved in photography the more I realize how little I know. This site has and abundance of bovine scatology but I learn something every day...I often see something and think..I didn't know that or what the hell is he talking about and I then go off on a tangent and half an hour of reading later...I'm a little bit better photographer than I was when i turned on my laptop. If life keeps going this way...in a few years I won't know anything about anything and I'll just sit in the corner looking through old scrapbooks and drooling in my oatmeal...
Apr 5, 2012 15:28:51 #
Apr 5, 2012 15:29:23 #
Could you explain why you get better low light response in a non crop sensor. I had always thought that noise reduction was a function of the camera's processor. One thing i do know for sure is that the auto focus performs a lot better on my 7D in low light than on a 5D II. The 5D III, has corrected this problem.
Apr 5, 2012 15:33:23 #
DougW
Loc: SoCal
Mudshark wrote:
quote=DougW who cares how many pages? We all are... (show quote)
I do keep a large shaker of salt at my side when i am here. Flavors the bull spit, and helps the lemon and Tacate.
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Apr 5, 2012 16:39:32 #
Jer wrote:
I have a Canon 5d mii, I would never go back toa crop frame. Don't get me wrong, I like crop frames but in a full frame you get better low light, and the lens' work properly since you don't have to apply a crop factor. Also, I try to take all of my pictures using the full sensor so I don't have to crop to take advantage of the 21 megapixals.
Jer, that's what I wanted to know if full frame was better in low light. I guess I didn't ask the question right. I don't think I broke the thread as long as I stay on the subject. Thanks rpavich for asking the question and to all with intelligent answers.
Apr 5, 2012 17:53:39 #
that ken rockwell page was very interesting. I love my full frame camera for the sharpness but I do use a cropped sensor when I want the reach.
Apr 5, 2012 20:47:34 #
This idea about the benefit of the small APS sensor is a favorite of the camera magazines. Assuming the pixel density per millimeter is the same what would be the difference of just cropping the photo.
One real benefit of the smaller sensor would be lens made for it should be less expensive.
The variations that are seen probably has more to do with the variables in processing done in the camera
There may be differences in the sensors in the cameras. The anti aliasing filters, etc. This informations is seldom made available or mentioned by reviews. It is reasonable to assume that Nikon is using Sony sensors in some of its cameras.
The camera companies own the photo magazines. They seldom give information that makes it easy to compare products. An example is the problems that Olympus is having that are associated with financial miss dealings of the officers of the company. I recently purchased an Olympus camera and am wondering about the long term service. I have only seen this alluded to in an English Magazine.
One real benefit of the smaller sensor would be lens made for it should be less expensive.
The variations that are seen probably has more to do with the variables in processing done in the camera
There may be differences in the sensors in the cameras. The anti aliasing filters, etc. This informations is seldom made available or mentioned by reviews. It is reasonable to assume that Nikon is using Sony sensors in some of its cameras.
The camera companies own the photo magazines. They seldom give information that makes it easy to compare products. An example is the problems that Olympus is having that are associated with financial miss dealings of the officers of the company. I recently purchased an Olympus camera and am wondering about the long term service. I have only seen this alluded to in an English Magazine.
Apr 7, 2012 19:03:47 #
Field of View is affected, but NOT magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
Apr 7, 2012 20:31:06 #
rgstoneinsc wrote:
Field of View is affected, but NOT magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
I think that's what I said. Seems this crop factor for lenses and formats is totaly misunderstood.
Apr 7, 2012 20:42:18 #
steve_stoneblossom
Loc: Rhode Island, USA
rgstoneinsc wrote:
Field of View is affected, but NOT magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
The apparent distance from the camera to the subject is exactly the same given the same lens on a DX or FX camera.......the DX will have a smaller FOV, but the same magnification.
Yes, but if each of the images is the same size (height and width), the DX image will have the appearance of being magnified.
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