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Mar 22, 2015 15:51:19   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
A few from my "more work to be done file"….

The Oregon Coast is always worth visiting, but great color is an "F/8 and be there" proposition. Sometimes you have to make lemonade….





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Mar 22, 2015 15:52:25   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
A few from my "more work to be done file"….

The Oregon Coast is always worth visiting, but great color is an "F/8 and be there" proposition. Sometimes you have to make lemonade….





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Mar 22, 2015 15:55:21   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SharpShooter wrote:
It's time to do another installment on Composition!
So lets have a meaningful and productive discussion about what makes a good Sunset/Sunrise image. We see a lot of these here every day, and rightfully so, as we have an opportunity for one of each, each and every day.
But first, if you have not already done so, DO go back and read my previous posts on Composition. This discussion will feed off of those and may help explain where I and possibly some of the others in this discussion are coming from! For me the goal is always not just photography but making the best images we can possibly make with the skill-set we poses and improving that skill-set. As with my previous posts, for me, juxtaposition always plays an important element in my images. My personal feeling is that strong color alone is just not enough. My goal is to create a stronger image by incorporating other elements into the composition that help to strengthen a story that colors alone can't tell and assembling those into a more complex composition. That's not to say that a simple strong graphic image can't work just as well. Again, there are no rights or wrongs here.
The hope as always is that we share what we feel are good strong elements and images so that one can takeaway ideas from another's compositional talents that will help them to take better and more impactful images of their own.
Feel free to post an image and explain why you feel it is a strong sunset/sunrise image.
I will post one of each in an adjacent post so that this won't be moved to the gallery.
This is meant to be a learning discussion for all of us that participate.
Blue Hour may also be appropriate in this discussion as well
Thanks, ;-)
SS
It's time to do another installment on Composition... (show quote)

Both of these were shot from my front door, on 2 different mornings

front door surise
front door surise...
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second one
second one...
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Mar 22, 2015 18:19:08   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
I think this might be one of the most awesome [in my eyes] sunset photos I have ever taken. As the color and the subject matter left little else to be desired.
Taken while on a recent trip to Iceland



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Mar 22, 2015 18:26:14   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Lots of beautiful shots. I think the only rule to follow is the 2/3, 1/3 composition technique. Not to forget clutter. Sunrises and sunsets are beautiful and fun to capture.

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Mar 22, 2015 18:38:55   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
minniev wrote:
Oh goody! I love these threads about composition and sunsets/sunrises are my favorite times to shoot so I've experienced plenty of challenges to share and learn from. This was my all time favorite sunset and it didn't happen in a preferred travel location - when I got a call to check the sky, I had 10 minutes to get to the only open water area anywhere around, left home with no shoes, wrong lens, no tripod (old age has its issues, worse when excited). But when your hometown sky looks like the sunset scene from Life of Pi, you just go.

There are no foreground possibilities or interesting subjects here which I knew beforehand, so I made up foreground out of dead water lilies and background out of the little island, but the real subject was the sky. Yes, it would be better to have the more interesting elements to work with like I have found in Yosemite and Acadia (our reservoir sure ain't Pfeiffer Beach). My question is, how can you make the most out of very little?

The first has a little LR processing to make up for the fact that I didn't bring a grad filter (and a crop for the metal print I had made) but the second is pretty much SOC since the sun was no longer challenging me. I've never known what else to do with them in PP so I just didn't. I shot till the last light vanished, because I figured if I'd waited 65 years for this one, odds are I won't make it to the next!
Oh goody! I love these threads about composition a... (show quote)

Minnie, your two shots are good examples for several reasons. Your second shot is very good with interest and can keep us busy looking at it. It's a very good use of the surroundings and foreground. It takes on a very interesting quality, but the sunset itself is beautiful as well.
The first shot for me encompasses way to much territory. I've mentioned many times that shooting TOO wide will start to make the detail so small and take in so much that the shot just starts to get busy. My eye has trouble focusing on anything and settling into the scene. The colors are certainly there, it's the same scene but for me there is just to much of a good thing.
I read here all the time that many want to go ultra-wide! For me, too wide starts to erode the strength of what is really there.
In the second shot, whether shot tight or cropped, the same scene pops to life with detail and interest. I want to look at everything just because it's there. It's the same exact scene and color, just with a lot more detail and concentrating on the best and strongest part of the composition, for me. Consequently it has tremendous impact, at least for me and the way I like to shoot.
Minnie, very nice job! ;-)
SS

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Mar 22, 2015 20:39:35   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
boberic wrote:
Both of these were shot from my front door, on 2 different mornings


These are two classic examples of the sunset not being enough to carry the shot on their own.
Yes, pretty colours, and it would have been nice, but the composition is nonexistant and the foreground silhouettes have weak form.

The silhouette of the rock formation and the cranes in SS initial photo post are in stark contrat to these two because they do have strong enough form and composition to go with the colour.

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Mar 23, 2015 02:28:06   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
lighthouse wrote:
These are two classic examples of the sunset not being enough to carry the shot on their own.
Yes, pretty colours, and it would have been nice, but the composition is nonexistant and the foreground silhouettes have weak form.

The silhouette of the rock formation and the cranes in SS initial photo post are in stark contrat to these two because they do have strong enough form and composition to go with the colour.


Lighthouse, this brings up the question of whether sssr needs to have color at all. Yes, a sssr in the traditional sense is usually about the colors. I shoot sssr's all the time that have no color at all. Of course they need to be heavily compensated with composition. But they are sssr nonetheless.
Then There is the question about how high or low can the sun be and still be a sssr?
I'll post two shots that could easily be construed as something else but in my mind they are sssr's.
These are both sr but reversing them and it might be impossible to tell from a sr.
Just more to dwell on. ;-)
SS

SR with Cyprus
SR with Cyprus...
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SR with gulls
SR with gulls...
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Mar 23, 2015 05:25:13   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Lighthouse, this brings up the question of whether sssr needs to have color at all. Yes, a sssr in the traditional sense is usually about the colors. I shoot sssr's all the time that have no color at all. Of course they need to be heavily compensated with composition. But they are sssr nonetheless.
Then There is the question about how high or low can the sun be and still be a sssr?
I'll post two shots that could easily be construed as something else but in my mind they are sssr's.
These are both sr but reversing them and it might be impossible to tell from a sr.
Just more to dwell on. ;-)
SS
Lighthouse, this brings up the question of whether... (show quote)


For me, the sunset/sunrise IS all about colour.
If there is no colour, then its just the sun going down or coming up.
I have no problem calling them either with the sun still in the sky.
For me, sun position doesn't have much to do with it.
As long as its in the golden hour and creating colour then it classifies for me.
The longest sunrise I have seen here lasted about 50 minutes.
And I assume if one was lucky enough to live somewhere like Finland/Scotland/Iceland then you could have golden hour that lasts for hours and still don't go down.
I have no problem calling your Cyprus a sunset, and I assume the Seagull shot is overexposed to lighten the shadows for detail there. Therefore that faint tinge of colour visible in the shot was probably much more pronounced when the photo was taken.

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Mar 23, 2015 06:15:36   #
Bobbee
 
Mr. B wrote:
In this 2005 photo I always liked the combination of color, water sheen and reflection on the sand and silhouette of the surfer.


I like this, the lone surfer going to meet the waves with the lone sun as their companion. Pretty good.

I was on the beach in SI, NY walking my choco lab and I got this sometime ago. I always called it Brooklyn Rising. You can see the parachute jump at Coney Island in the back.

Brooklyn rising
Brooklyn rising...

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Mar 23, 2015 06:20:42   #
pjeffers
 
I like the combination of color, water and silhouette of the pier.





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Mar 23, 2015 06:28:25   #
Nickfh Loc: Cheltenham, UK
 
Just to speak up for the UK - here's a few from my back door -











And one from inside (it was raining!)
And one from inside (it was raining!)...

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Mar 23, 2015 06:48:11   #
Trixsy Pixsy Loc: WELLS SOMERSET UK
 
Usually better when the sunset/rtse is part of a meaningful picture which reminds one of the occasion. but didnt care for the first one as too much sky was blocked but as the photographer you know what it means to you personally. Everyone else will have different personal view Second of two pier shots really shows this and the composition leads beautifully into the sun.

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Mar 23, 2015 06:57:04   #
pjeffers
 
minniev wrote:
Oh goody! I love these threads about composition and sunsets/sunrises are my favorite times to shoot so I've experienced plenty of challenges to share and learn from. This was my all time favorite sunset and it didn't happen in a preferred travel location - when I got a call to check the sky, I had 10 minutes to get to the only open water area anywhere around, left home with no shoes, wrong lens, no tripod (old age has its issues, worse when excited). But when your hometown sky looks like the sunset scene from Life of Pi, you just go.

There are no foreground possibilities or interesting subjects here which I knew beforehand, so I made up foreground out of dead water lilies and background out of the little island, but the real subject was the sky. Yes, it would be better to have the more interesting elements to work with like I have found in Yosemite and Acadia (our reservoir sure ain't Pfeiffer Beach). My question is, how can you make the most out of very little?

The first has a little LR processing to make up for the fact that I didn't bring a grad filter (and a crop for the metal print I had made) but the second is pretty much SOC since the sun was no longer challenging me. I've never known what else to do with them in PP so I just didn't. I shot till the last light vanished, because I figured if I'd waited 65 years for this one, odds are I won't make it to the next!
Oh goody! I love these threads about composition a... (show quote)


I love these photos!

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Mar 23, 2015 07:18:17   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
It does help if you are lazy to have the sunrise or sunset nearby...here is one from across the street

I like it because well, it is across the street, and it has some beautiful colors, and a nice reflection. I also think the lines are good, leading you down river.

The second one is from the same place...only a different season, slightly different angle...looking across the river instead of down river, and worked to sepia...ice and steam. A totally different emotion.

And third is one far from home....I was there watching the morning appear and I heard the rumble of the motor on the boat and waited to catch it as it went towards the morning light.







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