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Mar 21, 2012 11:40:23   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

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Mar 21, 2012 12:04:33   #
rambler Loc: Masssachusetts
 
An article on new features of Lightroom 4. Scroll down the page to see it at this site:

http://www.natureandphotography.com/

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Mar 21, 2012 12:19:09   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.

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Mar 21, 2012 13:29:14   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.

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Mar 21, 2012 15:15:06   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Not talking about importing. Talking about catalogues and having to have a catalog in order to work on a picture.

However, since my last post, I will correct myself.

When you import a picture, it does put it into a default catalog. So What?

I ignore the default catalog, work on my pictures, and once I'm finished I delete the default catalog. If you work on just one picture, like I normally do, just hit Alt + Backspace and the picture magically is removed from Lightroom.

Regardless of where I left off in Lightroom, it's always empty when I return. So I hit
Control + Shift + I
find the picture I want to work on,
import it,
switch to Develop module,
work on picture,
export picture (Control + Shift + E),
remove picture from Lightroom (Alt + Backspace)
close Lightroom (Alt + F4).

Never used catalogs to work on pictures. Probably never will. I have over 70,000 pictures cataloged using my own system with plain old fashioned folders and files. Not about to start a different system.

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Mar 21, 2012 15:50:30   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Not talking about importing. Talking about catalogues and having to have a catalog in order to work on a picture.

However, since my last post, I will correct myself.

When you import a picture, it does put it into a default catalog. So What?

I ignore the default catalog, work on my pictures, and once I'm finished I delete the default catalog. If you work on just one picture, like I normally do, just hit Alt + Backspace and the picture magically is removed from Lightroom.

Regardless of where I left off in Lightroom, it's always empty when I return. So I hit
Control + Shift + I
find the picture I want to work on,
import it,
switch to Develop module,
work on picture,
export picture (Control + Shift + E),
remove picture from Lightroom (Alt + Backspace)
close Lightroom (Alt + F4).

Never used catalogs to work on pictures. Probably never will. I have over 70,000 pictures cataloged using my own system with plain old fashioned folders and files. Not about to start a different system.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)


I don't think you mean you are deleting the catalog file..you are deleting the pictures OUT OF the catalog....right?

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Mar 21, 2012 16:12:59   #
tulsimm
 
I never thought a question about when to stop would generate energy and a little good nature heat.

When to stop?

Seems opinions on "when" or the use of Lightroom fear of use, fear of PC, or "there maybe a better way but I am going to do it my way" to get you there is in the eye of the editor. Now I am stressing. The "Pressure" of knowing when to stop is still mine.

I did go to Youtube and looked at titorials on LightRoom. Their are some excellant ones from starting to "what ever". check it out.

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Mar 21, 2012 20:42:58   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Not talking about importing. Talking about catalogues and having to have a catalog in order to work on a picture.

However, since my last post, I will correct myself.

When you import a picture, it does put it into a default catalog. So What?

I ignore the default catalog, work on my pictures, and once I'm finished I delete the default catalog. If you work on just one picture, like I normally do, just hit Alt + Backspace and the picture magically is removed from Lightroom.

Regardless of where I left off in Lightroom, it's always empty when I return. So I hit
Control + Shift + I
find the picture I want to work on,
import it,
switch to Develop module,
work on picture,
export picture (Control + Shift + E),
remove picture from Lightroom (Alt + Backspace)
close Lightroom (Alt + F4).

Never used catalogs to work on pictures. Probably never will. I have over 70,000 pictures cataloged using my own system with plain old fashioned folders and files. Not about to start a different system.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)


I don't think you mean you are deleting the catalog file..you are deleting the pictures OUT OF the catalog....right?
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Yes, because you generally cannot delete a "default" anything.

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Mar 21, 2012 20:58:17   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Not talking about importing. Talking about catalogues and having to have a catalog in order to work on a picture.

However, since my last post, I will correct myself.

When you import a picture, it does put it into a default catalog. So What?

I ignore the default catalog, work on my pictures, and once I'm finished I delete the default catalog. If you work on just one picture, like I normally do, just hit Alt + Backspace and the picture magically is removed from Lightroom.

Regardless of where I left off in Lightroom, it's always empty when I return. So I hit
Control + Shift + I
find the picture I want to work on,
import it,
switch to Develop module,
work on picture,
export picture (Control + Shift + E),
remove picture from Lightroom (Alt + Backspace)
close Lightroom (Alt + F4).

Never used catalogs to work on pictures. Probably never will. I have over 70,000 pictures cataloged using my own system with plain old fashioned folders and files. Not about to start a different system.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)


I don't think you mean you are deleting the catalog file..you are deleting the pictures OUT OF the catalog....right?
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Yes, because you generally cannot delete a "default" anything.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)

You can in Lightroom.

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Mar 21, 2012 23:34:12   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
Bozsik wrote:
In order to work on images in LR you have to import them into LR first and place them in a catalog.

You have to import them but you don't have to place them in a catalog in order to work on them.


the very act of importing them "catalogues" them in LR whether they move or are copied or not....they are "cataloged"

No they are not. I've been using Lightroom 3, 4 Beta, and 4, and you don't have to have them cataloged.

I don't have any catalogs at all in my Lightroom. I simply use it for working on individual pictures.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=Bozsik In o... (show quote)


Wrong.
Unless you import a photo LR doesn't know it exists. The act of importing a picture file creates an entry in the .lrcat file.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Not talking about importing. Talking about catalogues and having to have a catalog in order to work on a picture.

However, since my last post, I will correct myself.

When you import a picture, it does put it into a default catalog. So What?

I ignore the default catalog, work on my pictures, and once I'm finished I delete the default catalog. If you work on just one picture, like I normally do, just hit Alt + Backspace and the picture magically is removed from Lightroom.

Regardless of where I left off in Lightroom, it's always empty when I return. So I hit
Control + Shift + I
find the picture I want to work on,
import it,
switch to Develop module,
work on picture,
export picture (Control + Shift + E),
remove picture from Lightroom (Alt + Backspace)
close Lightroom (Alt + F4).

Never used catalogs to work on pictures. Probably never will. I have over 70,000 pictures cataloged using my own system with plain old fashioned folders and files. Not about to start a different system.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)


I don't think you mean you are deleting the catalog file..you are deleting the pictures OUT OF the catalog....right?
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Yes, because you generally cannot delete a "default" anything.
quote=rpavich quote=russelray quote=rpavich qu... (show quote)

You can in Lightroom.
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Are you talking about deleting defaults or changing defaults?

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Mar 22, 2012 03:59:02   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:

Are you talking about deleting defaults or changing defaults?


I'm saying that...yes, you can delete the default catalog...which is why I asked you what you meant.

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Mar 22, 2012 11:04:43   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:

Are you talking about deleting defaults or changing defaults?


I'm saying that...yes, you can delete the default catalog...which is why I asked you what you meant.

I've been trying since yesterday. Haven't been able to do it.

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Mar 22, 2012 11:24:57   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:

Are you talking about deleting defaults or changing defaults?


I'm saying that...yes, you can delete the default catalog...which is why I asked you what you meant.

I've been trying since yesterday. Haven't been able to do it.


Close Lightroom.

Navigate to the folder where the default catalog is (*.lrcat file)

Right click>delete.

But even though you can....why would you do that? I'm not getting two things:

1.) Why work on one photo then delete?

2.) Why delete the catalog? Why even care?


I've never heard of anyone working this way (in fact the strength of LR is just the opposite..to process many photos at once and sync changes across ones taken in the same session.)

I'm trying to "get it"

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Mar 22, 2012 12:05:14   #
JoeM Loc: Sacramento, California
 
Wow!!!! You guys and gals are really great! You've all made me more knowledgeable just buy reading all of your comments!! I really appreciate that! So I'll go ahead an install it....but one final question. I understand that LR4 has something to do with a "preference box" that can separate RAW files to a different area then the JPG or Tiff files. Has anyone done this?

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Mar 22, 2012 15:25:05   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:
rpavich wrote:
russelray wrote:

Are you talking about deleting defaults or changing defaults?


I'm saying that...yes, you can delete the default catalog...which is why I asked you what you meant.

I've been trying since yesterday. Haven't been able to do it.


Close Lightroom.

Navigate to the folder where the default catalog is (*.lrcat file)

Right click>delete.

But even though you can....why would you do that? I'm not getting two things:

1.) Why work on one photo then delete?

2.) Why delete the catalog? Why even care?


I've never heard of anyone working this way (in fact the strength of LR is just the opposite..to process many photos at once and sync changes across ones taken in the same session.)

I'm trying to "get it"
quote=russelray quote=rpavich quote=russelray ... (show quote)

Ah-ha! Yes, I suppose you could delete that way although I quit doing that kind of stuff when I left the computer industry back in 2001.

I know the strength of LR is in its organizational abilities, but I had 63,000 pictures all organized and such before I ever bought a version of Lightroom. To try to catalog those 63,000 pictures just because I have LR, well, I'd be dead before I finished.

Lightroom for me is a photo editing program, not a photo organizing program.

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