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Feb 11, 2015 08:45:38   #
UXOEOD
 
HEART, I suspect you fear the Monarch Crisis is yet another excuse for liberals to confiscate our money, spend it where they want, and to take control (over ride our rights), for the "betterment of man" and "salvation of the planet. Pure bullshit.

If each liberal who confesses concern over this butterfly would spend thier own 2 dollars and start a small patch of milkweed and other butterfly friendly plants, problem would be solved. But most good limo liberal don't want thier views, golf courses, and lawns spoiled with weeds. Instead the want to spend my money, and fill my yard and my kids used parks with weeds.



HEART wrote:
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border to wave them across - oh, wait a minute - you clowns already do that for the illegals...scratch that one;

(b) Okay, okay, just print 1 million signs along the border saying, "Free butterfly mating classes ahead!" Sure to attract more of 'em to move here!! Also, you can force milk cartons to have pictures of butterflies with the words "Have You Seen This Butterfly?";


(c) Last resort: Force every illegal to bring a butterfly with them when they hop over the border! You dumbasses can count 'em to make sure that at least every illegal has one! Asking your baitor-in-chief for the money to pay for all these options - I'm sure he can threw it into his "Save The Planet From Global Warming...AND Butterfly Propagation Slush Fund."


See - simple solutions. Liberalism is a disease - the only cure is common sense.
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border ... (show quote)

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Feb 11, 2015 08:59:37   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
BigWahoo wrote:
The caterpillar of the Monarch can only feed on milk weed plants;.
I find it interesting that you sight an advertisement for tourism as your evidence of how good Monarchs are doing.


Well, I did state he was an asshole! The only thing to determine is was he born that way or is he a self made man?

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Feb 11, 2015 09:04:51   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milkweeds as a limiting factor in monarch demise (along with herbicides and pesticides of course). Here on island of Hawaii (in my own back yard in fact) we have lots of monarchs which use several different kinds of plants which the monarchs readily use as hosts for their caterpillar/pupae stages. The one common factor I've seen in these plants is that they seem to have a milky white sap which I suspect is full of the alkaloids also found in milkweed sap and which makes the monarch an undesirable insect to be eaten by birds. Anyway, I've posted two pictures at www.flickr.com/CaptainRBrown showing the 3 life stages of the monarch which I captured on a crown flower tree branch. At times the crown flower tree looks like swiss cheese because there are so many monarch caterpillars eating its leaves. Maybe part of the solution for mainland monarchs is to find more temperate climate desirable garden plants like the crown flower. The problem is exacerbated by the intentional destruction of milk weed as an "undesirable" plant and treatment of all leaf eating caterpillars as pests even though without caterpillars we don't have butterflies which also spread pollen...but there as noted above there are other suitable plants. Again, see my flickr page for macro pictures of this beautiful creature in all 3 life stages.
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milk... (show quote)


Great info thanks for posting.

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Feb 11, 2015 09:34:01   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
[quote=HEART][quote=James Shaw][u]quote]


Love getting you liberals going!! :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: (P.S. Milkweed, while indigenous to many parts of the globe isn't the only source of food for butterflies. Butterfly migrations have been affected by global weather patterns and are not facing extinction by any means. They are prolific and thrive. Your liberal patter is meant to stir fear of its demise. Totally unfounded - kinda like global warming, etc.) http://www.journeymexico.com/itinerary/morelia-and-the-monarch-butterfly-migration[/quote]


"There are over 100 native species of Milkweed (Asclepias) in North America. The best choice for Milkweed you can make is to pick species for your butterfly garden that are native to your local area. The Monarchs have thousands of years of interaction with these plants and are well adapted to them. Locally native species die back each winter, only to grow again each spring."

"Monarchs, like all butterflies, change their diet as they develop. During the caterpillar stage, they live exclusively on milkweed plants. Milkweeds are wildflowers in the genus Asclepias. Milkweeds contain glycoside toxins that are harmless to the monarch but poisonous to its predators. Monarch caterpillars feed on all the different parts of milkweed plants and store up the toxins in their body. The toxins remain in their system even after metamorphosis, thereby making adult monarchs poisonous as well.

Adult monarchs feed on nectar from a wide range of flowers, including milkweeds. "

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Feb 11, 2015 10:12:41   #
PRETENDER Loc: Micanopy,Florida
 
Heart if you were to become an asshole it would be an improvement.

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Feb 11, 2015 10:17:21   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
I wonder if it is unintended side effect of widespread use of GM insect resistant plants. They have been modified to produce an insecticide in their genes. Funny that the bees are in great decline as well. Monarch's thrived during DDT use... So I doubt it is normal insecticide and modern insecticide application is very targeted to the pest at hand, so it has to be something widespread, like millions of acres of GM corn etc.

I personally support GM foods as it holds the promise for feeding the planet just as the industrial revolution did for increased productivity in growing food. 17th century methods of farming would not support the planet's population at that time nor would 17th century plants. GM's hold the answer to the next threshold. But a step back seems to be in order and on many fronts to figure this one out.

I see species decline like the bees and monarch's as the "canary" in the mine. Better pay attention when it keels over... Something is up. This is not a political issue, but those who are true conservatives like myself should take note.

Meanwhile, I think I'll join one of these!

http://www.saveourmonarchs.org/who-we-are.html

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/147093119/save-our-monarchs-sow-the-seeds-for-their-survival

http://prefundia.com/projects/view/save-our-monarchs-sow-the-seeds-for-their-survival/1812/

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Feb 11, 2015 10:18:31   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
UXOEOD wrote:
HEART, I suspect you fear the Monarch Crisis is yet another excuse for liberals to confiscate our money, spend it where they want, and to take control (over ride our rights), for the "betterment of man" and "salvation of the planet. Pure bullshit.

If each liberal who confesses concern over this butterfly would spend thier own 2 dollars and start a small patch of milkweed and other butterfly friendly plants, problem would be solved. But most good limo liberal don't want thier views, golf courses, and lawns spoiled with weeds. Instead the want to spend my money, and fill my yard and my kids used parks with weeds.
HEART, I suspect you fear the Monarch Crisis is y... (show quote)



Its all about O P M





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Feb 11, 2015 10:36:45   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
RichieC wrote:
I wonder if it is unintended side effect of widespread use of GM insect resistant plants. They have been modified to produce an insecticide in their genes. Funny that the bees are in great decline as well. Monarch's thrived during DDT use... So I doubt it is normal insecticide and modern insecticide application is very targeted to the pest at hand, so it has to be something widespread, like millions of acres of GM corn etc.

I personally support GM foods as it holds the promise for feeding the planet just as the industrial revolution did for increased productivity in growing food. 17th century methods of farming would not support the planet's population at that time nor would 17th century plants. GM's hold the answer to the next threshold. But a step back seems to be in order and on many fronts to figure this one out.

I see species decline like the bees and monarch's as the "canary" in the mine. Better pay attention when it keels over... Something is up. This is not a political issue, but those who are true conservatives like myself should take note.

Meanwhile, I think I'll join one of these!

http://www.saveourmonarchs.org/who-we-are.html

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/147093119/save-our-monarchs-sow-the-seeds-for-their-survival

http://prefundia.com/projects/view/save-our-monarchs-sow-the-seeds-for-their-survival/1812/
I wonder if it is unintended side effect of wides... (show quote)


http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2009/07/the-marvel-of-milkweed.html

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Feb 11, 2015 10:47:15   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milkweeds as a limiting factor in monarch demise (along with herbicides and pesticides of course). Here on island of Hawaii (in my own back yard in fact) we have lots of monarchs which use several different kinds of plants which the monarchs readily use as hosts for their caterpillar/pupae stages. The one common factor I've seen in these plants is that they seem to have a milky white sap which I suspect is full of the alkaloids also found in milkweed sap and which makes the monarch an undesirable insect to be eaten by birds. Anyway, I've posted two pictures at www.flickr.com/CaptainRBrown showing the 3 life stages of the monarch which I captured on a crown flower tree branch. At times the crown flower tree looks like swiss cheese because there are so many monarch caterpillars eating its leaves. Maybe part of the solution for mainland monarchs is to find more temperate climate desirable garden plants like the crown flower. The problem is exacerbated by the intentional destruction of milk weed as an "undesirable" plant and treatment of all leaf eating caterpillars as pests even though without caterpillars we don't have butterflies which also spread pollen...but there as noted above there are other suitable plants. Again, see my flickr page for macro pictures of this beautiful creature in all 3 life stages.
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milk... (show quote)


Actually, their winter grounds in SA is what is being destroyed, and since most Monarch migrate to that continent, most of them are dying because the farming by the big corporations is spreading into their wintering grounds and their food is being killed off by pesticides. Big Farm is raping the soil, the produce and the wildlife. I see nothing to be done until/unless greed goes away. I don't see that happening in the near future.

Greed will be the ruination of the planet.

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Feb 11, 2015 11:12:26   #
Swede Loc: Trail, BC Canada
 
I don't think it will ruin the planet as much as it would ruin us. The Earth will adapt and evolve. An asteroid took care of the dinosaurs, we will take care of us. Then in turn something will replace us
Swede
amyinsparta wrote:
Actually, their winter grounds in SA is what is being destroyed, and since most Monarch migrate to that continent, most of them are dying because the farming by the big corporations is spreading into their wintering grounds and their food is being killed off by pesticides. Big Farm is raping the soil, the produce and the wildlife. I see nothing to be done until/unless greed goes away. I don't see that happening in the near future.

Greed will be the ruination of the planet.

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Feb 11, 2015 11:24:23   #
James Shaw
 
BigWahoo wrote:
"There are over 100 native species of Milkweed (Asclepias) in North America. The best choice for Milkweed you can make is to pick species for your butterfly garden that are native to your local area. The Monarchs have thousands of years of interaction with these plants and are well adapted to them. Locally native species die back each winter, only to grow again each spring."

"Monarchs, like all butterflies, change their diet as they develop. During the caterpillar stage, they live exclusively on milkweed plants. Milkweeds are wildflowers in the genus Asclepias. Milkweeds contain glycoside toxins that are harmless to the monarch but poisonous to its predators. Monarch caterpillars feed on all the different parts of milkweed plants and store up the toxins in their body. The toxins remain in their system even after metamorphosis, thereby making adult monarchs poisonous as well.

Adult monarchs feed on nectar from a wide range of flowers, including milkweeds. "
"There are over 100 native species of Milkwee... (show quote)
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Feb 11, 2015 12:20:15   #
hoosier500
 
Lots of websites for starting your own garden. http://monarchbutterflygarden.net/how-to-start-monarch-butterfly-garden/

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Feb 11, 2015 12:25:44   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
richosob wrote:
I must admit that this is funny. But I think the last line is very true. I am surprised that the global warming crowd hasn't jumped on this.

Rich




Thanks for commenting, Rich! I just love to goad the libs; especially since they always seem to have the wrong answers for everything. Great stress reliever!! Have a blessed day!!

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Feb 11, 2015 12:28:02   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
PRETENDER wrote:
Heart if you were to become an asshole it would be an improvement.



Again, your language reflects your intellect, as limited as it is.

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Feb 11, 2015 12:28:32   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
DougW wrote:
Its all about O P M




Spot on, Doug! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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