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Feb 10, 2015 11:05:21   #
James Shaw
 
The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-monarch-massacre-nearly-a-billion-butterflies-have-vanished/?hpid=z1

What can "we" do?

The Beautiful Monarch Butterfly
The Beautiful Monarch Butterfly...

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Feb 10, 2015 11:18:13   #
Jerry Green Loc: Huntsville, AL
 
Plant native milkweeds and encourage parks and nature area managers to plant more. Work with environmental groups to limit/stop the use of the destructive pesticides.

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Feb 10, 2015 11:35:29   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Jerry Green wrote:
Plant native milkweeds and encourage parks and nature area managers to plant more. Work with environmental groups to limit/stop the use of the destructive pesticides.


Exactly. Stop the use of the pesticides that kill the milkweed and plant more milkweed in and protect those areas that are on their travel route.

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Feb 10, 2015 11:37:01   #
CaptainBobBrown
 
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milkweeds as a limiting factor in monarch demise (along with herbicides and pesticides of course). Here on island of Hawaii (in my own back yard in fact) we have lots of monarchs which use several different kinds of plants which the monarchs readily use as hosts for their caterpillar/pupae stages. The one common factor I've seen in these plants is that they seem to have a milky white sap which I suspect is full of the alkaloids also found in milkweed sap and which makes the monarch an undesirable insect to be eaten by birds. Anyway, I've posted two pictures at www.flickr.com/CaptainRBrown showing the 3 life stages of the monarch which I captured on a crown flower tree branch. At times the crown flower tree looks like swiss cheese because there are so many monarch caterpillars eating its leaves. Maybe part of the solution for mainland monarchs is to find more temperate climate desirable garden plants like the crown flower. The problem is exacerbated by the intentional destruction of milk weed as an "undesirable" plant and treatment of all leaf eating caterpillars as pests even though without caterpillars we don't have butterflies which also spread pollen...but there as noted above there are other suitable plants. Again, see my flickr page for macro pictures of this beautiful creature in all 3 life stages.

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Feb 10, 2015 11:39:37   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
James Shaw wrote:




(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border to wave them across - oh, wait a minute - you clowns already do that for the illegals...scratch that one;

(b) Okay, okay, just print 1 million signs along the border saying, "Free butterfly mating classes ahead!" Sure to attract more of 'em to move here!! Also, you can force milk cartons to have pictures of butterflies with the words "Have You Seen This Butterfly?";


(c) Last resort: Force every illegal to bring a butterfly with them when they hop over the border! You dumbasses can count 'em to make sure that at least every illegal has one! Asking your baitor-in-chief for the money to pay for all these options - I'm sure he can threw it into his "Save The Planet From Global Warming...AND Butterfly Propagation Slush Fund."


See - simple solutions. Liberalism is a disease - the only cure is common sense.

Wahhhh....I Caught a Liberal!!!
Wahhhh....I Caught a Liberal!!!...

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Feb 10, 2015 11:54:04   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
HEART wrote:
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border to wave them across - oh, wait a minute - you clowns already do that for the illegals...scratch that one;

(b) Okay, okay, just print 1 million signs along the border saying, "Free butterfly mating classes ahead!" Sure to attract more of 'em to move here!! Also, you can force milk cartons to have pictures of butterflies with the words "Have You Seen This Butterfly?";


(c) Last resort: Force every illegal to bring a butterfly with them when they hop over the border! You dumbasses can count 'em to make sure that at least every illegal has one! Asking your baitor-in-chief for the money to pay for all these options - I'm sure he can threw it into his "Save The Planet From Global Warming...AND Butterfly Propagation Slush Fund."


See - simple solutions. Liberalism is a disease - the only cure is common sense.
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border ... (show quote)

Were you born an asshole or are yo a self made man?

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Feb 10, 2015 11:57:34   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milkweeds as a limiting factor in monarch demise (along with herbicides and pesticides of course). Here on island of Hawaii (in my own back yard in fact) we have lots of monarchs which use several different kinds of plants which the monarchs readily use as hosts for their caterpillar/pupae stages. The one common factor I've seen in these plants is that they seem to have a milky white sap which I suspect is full of the alkaloids also found in milkweed sap and which makes the monarch an undesirable insect to be eaten by birds. Anyway, I've posted two pictures at www.flickr.com/CaptainRBrown showing the 3 life stages of the monarch which I captured on a crown flower tree branch. At times the crown flower tree looks like swiss cheese because there are so many monarch caterpillars eating its leaves. Maybe part of the solution for mainland monarchs is to find more temperate climate desirable garden plants like the crown flower. The problem is exacerbated by the intentional destruction of milk weed as an "undesirable" plant and treatment of all leaf eating caterpillars as pests even though without caterpillars we don't have butterflies which also spread pollen...but there as noted above there are other suitable plants. Again, see my flickr page for macro pictures of this beautiful creature in all 3 life stages.
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milk... (show quote)


It may have to do with milkweed being indigenous to this country and the plants in HI may be considered invasive. Just a thought.

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Feb 10, 2015 12:04:28   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
James Shaw wrote:
The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-monarch-massacre-...

What can "we" do?
HEART wrote:
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border to wave them across - oh, wait a minute - you clowns already do that for the illegals...scratch that one;

(b) Okay, okay, just print 1 million signs along the border saying, "Free butterfly mating classes ahead!" Sure to attract more of 'em to move here!! Also, you can force milk cartons to have pictures of butterflies with the words "Have You Seen This Butterfly?";


(c) Last resort: Force every illegal to bring a butterfly with them when they hop over the border! You dumbasses can count 'em to make sure that at least every illegal has one! Asking your baitor-in-chief for the money to pay for all these options - I'm sure he can threw it into his "Save The Planet From Global Warming...AND Butterfly Propagation Slush Fund."


See - simple solutions. Liberalism is a disease - the only cure is common sense.
(a) Hire liberals to stand at the Mexican border ... (show quote)


HEART is your cover word for SATAN?

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Feb 10, 2015 12:57:41   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
ottopj wrote:
Were you born an asshole or are yo a self made man?




Otterpop - liberalism is the disease that keeps on stealing...get your money back.

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Feb 10, 2015 12:59:12   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
James Shaw wrote:
HEART is your cover word for SATAN?





Gee, guess you were already set to run with my many solutions?

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Feb 10, 2015 13:06:22   #
FramerMCB Loc: Northern, ID (formerly Portland, OR area)
 
HEART wrote:
Gee, guess you were already set to run with my many solutions?


I truly don't understand your post (rant). The OP was putting out there a real issue concerning this majestic creature. Your response in my humble opinion is out of line and making some rather ballsy assumptions about the OP.

I find it even more troubling considering your moniker coupled with the quote at the bottom of your Avatar...Colorado: "God's Country."...

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Feb 10, 2015 13:10:26   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
HEART wrote:
Otterpop - liberalism is the disease that keeps on stealing...get your money back.


I'm not a liberal. You're still an asshole!

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Feb 10, 2015 13:29:21   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
James Shaw wrote:
HEART is your cover word for SATAN?
HEART wrote:
Gee, guess you were already set to run with my many solutions?

Well, that was not an answer to my question, so perhaps you did not understand. Let me repeat:

Is, HEART, your cover word for SATAN?

And, truly, I, too, do not understand your non-answer to my question:

"Gee, guess you were already set to run with my many solutions?" Nonsense!

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Feb 10, 2015 13:35:19   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
I'm not clear on why the focus is strictly on milkweeds as a limiting factor in monarch demise (along with herbicides and pesticides of course). Here on island of Hawaii (in my own back yard in fact) we have lots of monarchs which use several different kinds of plants which the monarchs readily use as hosts for their caterpillar/pupae stages. The one common factor I've seen in these plants is that they seem to have a milky white sap which I suspect is full of the alkaloids also found in milkweed sap and which makes the monarch an undesirable insect to be eaten by birds. Anyway, I've posted two pictures at www.flickr.com/CaptainRBrown showing the 3 life stages of the monarch which I captured on a crown flower tree branch. At times the crown flower tree looks like swiss cheese because there are so many monarch caterpillars eating its leaves. Maybe part of the solution for mainland monarchs is to find more temperate climate desirable garden plants like the crown flower. The problem is exacerbated by the intentional destruction of milk weed as an "undesirable" plant and treatment of all leaf eating caterpillars as pests even though without caterpillars we don't have butterflies which also spread pollen...but there as noted above there are other suitable plants. Again, see my flickr page for macro pictures of this beautiful creature in all 3 life stages.
CaptainBobBrown wrote: br I'm not clear on why the... (show quote)
ottopj wrote:
It may have to do with milkweed being indigenous to this country and the plants in HI may be considered invasive. Just a thought.


I have heard that the species of milkweed that is grown in a local area is important. Does anyone know where one can get seeds, say from a good source that knows? Thanks.

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Feb 10, 2015 13:55:47   #
Swede Loc: Trail, BC Canada
 
Understatement, but on the right track. Good start!
Swede
ottopj wrote:
I'm not a liberal. You're still an asshole!

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