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Is Being A Good Photoshopper Becoming More Important Than Being A Good Photographer?
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Jan 29, 2015 13:56:02   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
JimEaco wrote:
Reminds me of a song...
"Video Killed the Radio Star"

Talkies replaced old movies with a piano playing in the theater, (Charlie Chaplin was still great but Laurel & Hardy were funny too!)
Color replaced Black & White, Cinemascope, MAX, film? what is film? TV will kill the Movies? Cable TV< who the hell is going to pay for cable TV when you can get it free with an antenna?
The internal combustion engine has put a lot of horses out of work, as well as blacksmiths.
Cellphones outnumber land lines.
Dick Tracy had a wrist watch with a TV & Radio built in! Imagine that?
Microwave Oven!? TV Dinner?

I feel a change comin' on... and in the background Bob Dylan sings:
The Times They Are A-Changin'



Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

There are 4 more verses, but they all come to the same conclusion: For the times they are a-changing.
Reminds me of a song... br "Video Killed the ... (show quote)


Sounds like a song that should be adopted by those rightly concerned about Global Warming!

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Jan 29, 2015 14:02:30   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
jrbissell wrote:
I feel there is a hugh difference between sharpening-adding contrast, and brightening or the converse, and the practice of adding parts to or subtracting major parts of a scene. Putting a moon in a shot where it might never occur -or adding animals to a lake scene-eg wolves- is going too far. It is misrepresentation of the scene. Call it plagiarism - which is a form of Art but not a real photograph. HDR lies somewhere in between. But all have been tried before by many great photographers i guess. As the equipment to do these tricks becomes available one needs to make choices as to what is original and overkill.
I feel there is a hugh difference between sharpeni... (show quote)


Who set you up as the judge of what a "real photograph" is? I have done a lot of composite photographs, and I consider them "real photographs." People have been making composite photographs since the very beginning of photography, as well as other techniques which result in a photograph which isn't an accurate representation of the scene. They are all "real photographs." And you apparently don't know the meaning of the word "plagiarism." What does stealing other people's work have to do with composite photography?

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Jan 29, 2015 14:05:16   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
This is describes creating an art image with photos and digital editing tools the same as an artist with paints builds a painting. A far different process than many of us do with our PP programs. To enhance an image in PP is no different than having your own dark room _ like Ansel Adams - and using chemicals, light and other darkroom tools to enhance ones image..
For several years while belonging to a camera club that had once a month competitions with pro judges I heard this statement over and over "If you had your own dark room you could do this or that" When we had our first "show and Tell" night with a presentation of digital photography and photo shop's capabilities to improve images I knew I had to change as it gave me that dark room these judges talked so highly of.

Mac wrote:
I was going through Flipboard this morning and came across an article "How To Add Clouds In Photoshop." And it made me wonder if this is where photography is headed: pick a subject, pick a foreground, pick a background, then blend them all together in Photoshop.

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Jan 29, 2015 14:16:24   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
show1971 wrote:
Someone still has to be a good photographer to pull off good Photoshop. Photoshop is only a tool, like your camera and lens.



I agree. In computer-speak, garbage in, garbage out! The point is that, regardless of what you do with Photoshop, if you do not start with a good photo, you can forget getting a superlative result.

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Jan 29, 2015 14:44:42   #
Graveman Loc: Indiana
 
I sometimes paint what I photograph, guess I'm a photopainter or a paintographer

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Jan 29, 2015 14:52:21   #
Graveman Loc: Indiana
 
Then here is another can of worms: If you go to a where photos are displayed (for looking or buying) should there be a notation somewhere that notes that "these photos have been enhanced or created with photoshop" ...and why not.

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Jan 29, 2015 14:54:01   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Graveman wrote:
Then here is another can of worms: If you go to a where photos are displayed (for looking or buying) should there be a notation somewhere that notes that "these photos have been enhanced or created with photoshop" ...and why not.


Why would you be required to do that any more than you would be required to describe your darkroom techniques with film photography?

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Jan 29, 2015 14:54:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Why would you be required to do that any more than you would be required to describe your darkroom techniques with film photography?


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 29, 2015 14:55:26   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Graveman wrote:
I sometimes paint what I photograph, guess I'm a photopainter or a paintographer


Me too. There is a site named "Paint My Photo" too. Where people submit photo and allow you to paint them.

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Jan 29, 2015 14:57:10   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Graveman wrote:
Then here is another can of worms: If you go to a where photos are displayed (for looking or buying) should there be a notation somewhere that notes that "these photos have been enhanced or created with photoshop" ...and why not.


Because they never have since the dawn of photography.

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Jan 29, 2015 15:03:37   #
TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas
 
Graveman wrote:
I sometimes paint what I photograph, guess I'm a photopainter or a paintographer


Lots of artists paint from photos and have done so commercially. The paintings I have seen are much better than the original photos.

As a grade school student, photographers gathered up a group of us on the way home (we could walk by ourselves those days without the police arresting our parents for neglect.) They took a group photo. We were all reaching for an ice-cream cone that one of them held up.
Later, I saw a painting with us as the characters, reaching for that ice-cream held up by a vendor. It was an advertisement for the ice-cream company and was in a major magazine. We all looked much cuter in the ad than we were in the photo. LOL. I loved it. p.s. We got free ice-cream bars for posing.

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Jan 29, 2015 15:11:20   #
Graveman Loc: Indiana
 
wlgoode wrote:
Psst, wher in IN are ye? I be a Hoosier too. Mulberry, Clinton Co.


Been through there a few times myself.

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Jan 29, 2015 15:22:22   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Mac wrote:
Please reread my initial post. My question wasn't and isn't about processing. It's about piecing together images to manufacture a "photograph".


Perhaps a better term might be to make a collage. I have a cousin-in-law whose last collage sold for over $500. But was not pieced together images in Photoshop.

In the right hands, 'piecing together' can become an art form WITH a message or statement.

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Jan 29, 2015 15:25:20   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Graveman wrote:
Been through there a few times myself.


Great little town of about 1000. I grew up there and so did Dad!

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Jan 29, 2015 15:31:33   #
RDH
 
Mac wrote:
I don't know. A good photographer should be able to get the exposure right enough the s/he doesn't need to add things in photoshop.


What about the times that you have an absolutely cloudless sky?

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