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Jan 18, 2015 20:51:50   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
[quote=klbuild][quote=LFingar]That's a good price for a 6D, provided it comes with a USA warranty[/quote

I understand he bought with kit and selling body?[/quote]

That could be. You might also want to check out this site:
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/
There is a 6D deal listed there for about the same price from an authorized dealer.

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Jan 18, 2015 21:00:30   #
klbuild Loc: Durham, north carolina
 
Peterff wrote:
You should be in good shape to go FF then. Doesn't sound like you have an EF-S lens in the bunch. Good planning!


I do have a couple, but those are the ones that I could use one full frame. Just trying to talk myself in to it.

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Jan 18, 2015 21:01:31   #
klbuild Loc: Durham, north carolina
 
LFingar wrote:
That could be. You might also want to check out this site:
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/
There is a 6D deal listed there for about the same price from an authorized dealer.


Thanks. I'll do that

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Jan 18, 2015 21:07:14   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
[quote=klbuild][quote=Peterff]Do you have a 70D now, or are you comparing the 70D and 6D as alternatives to something else that you already have?

What lenses do you have? You just say some will work, I think.

I'm making the assumption that any EF-S lenses may be a problem, at least from possible vignetting, if not other issues such as mirror interference if they mount at all....

Finally, there is a new Rebel supposed to be coming in the next couple of months which could be a significant upgrade in the Rebel lineup, but that may not be relevant.[/quote

I do have a 70 d now. I have 24-105 L , 11-16 tokina, sigma 120-400 that I think will work[/quote]

K, if you get the 6d and keep the 70, then it might be worth having for landscape. IF you are only going to have only ONE camera, then the 70d is by far the better more all-around camera. The 70 shoots faster, has a better focus system and the video will walk circles around the 6.
By low-light, they mean shooting action in low light. Existing light can be shot easily on a tripod at slow speed, at low ISO. Only action needs high ISO. Unless you are doing indoor sports there are few times you need high ISO.
At least that's how it would work for me. ;-)
SS

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Jan 18, 2015 21:58:13   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
[quote=klbuild]
Peterff wrote:
Do you have a 70D now, or are you comparing the 70D and 6D as alternatives to something else that you already have?

What lenses do you have? You just say some will work, I think.

I'm making the assumption that any EF-S lenses may be a problem, at least from possible vignetting, if not other issues such as mirror interference if they mount at all....

Finally, there is a new Rebel supposed to be coming in the next couple of months which could be a significant upgrade in the Rebel lineup, but that may not be relevant.

I do have a 70 d now. I have 24-105 L , 11-16 tokina, sigma 120-400 that I think will work
Do you have a 70D now, or are you comparing the 70... (show quote)


I don't think that the Tokina is going to work on a 6D, you have to be careful about mounting lenses made for APS-C cameras on your full frame at least with Canon they can cause the mirror to break, I am not even sure that it will mount, I know that Canon EF-S lenses won't mount.

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Jan 19, 2015 07:55:54   #
heyjoe Loc: cincinnati ohio
 
I have a new 6d needing to sell,$1200 if you are looking, thanks joe

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Jan 19, 2015 10:29:48   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
klbuild wrote:
Someone locally has a new body for 1,380. New with warranty never used

If Canon is like other camera makers the warranty is only valid with the original buyer.

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Jan 19, 2015 10:40:04   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
klbuild wrote:
I understand 6d is full frame and some of my lenses will work. I mainly shot landscape, some wildlife, but starting to like night photography. The question is, am I really going to se a differen in image quality?


Have you considered the 7D MII? Kind of covers quality, speed, video capabilities and the noise is well under control.

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Jan 19, 2015 10:51:22   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
klbuild wrote:
I understand 6d is full frame and some of my lenses will work. I mainly shot landscape, some wildlife, but starting to like night photography. The question is, am I really going to se a differen in image quality?


Yes, but keep both cameras. The 70D will be great for those images of wildlife that you need a little extra reach on.

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Jan 19, 2015 11:24:51   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
It is weird that right now you can buy a new 6D, full frame, for less than the 7DII crop sensor phenom camera.


klbuild wrote:
Someone locally has a new body for 1,380. New with warranty never used

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Jan 19, 2015 11:39:12   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
AntonioReyna wrote:
It is weird that right now you can buy a new 6D, full frame, for less than the 7DII crop sensor phenom camera.


7D II does more.

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Jan 19, 2015 11:40:59   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
LFingar wrote:
I went from a 70D to a 6D and have absolutely no complaints, except that it is marginal for action shots. The 70D's biggest advantage is its focus system. If you are shooting video or action shots, such as BIF, then the 70D is superior. You can shoot these things with the 6D, but it is more difficult to do it well. For low light/high ISO the 6D is clearly superior. I have gotten some very good results at ISO 25,600. Overall image quality and color rendition does seem to be somewhat better with the 6D, but I can't say that it is a large difference. For landscapes, portraits, typical "tourist" shots, the 6D is hard to beat. For action, the 70D is a good camera for the money. Any way you look at it, both are good cameras. The 7DII is a bit more money then the 6D, but it overcomes many of the 70D's short comings as far as low light/high ISO shooting. For shooting action there are few that can beat it. I will probably be ordering one soon to complement my 6D.
I went from a 70D to a 6D and have absolutely no c... (show quote)


Exactly. If you need the high speeds in good light more, you want the 70D. If you need the low light capability more, get the 6D. I needed the latter so I got the latter.

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Jan 19, 2015 11:43:01   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
SharpShooter wrote:
K, if you get the 6d and keep the 70, then it might be worth having for landscape. IF you are only going to have only ONE camera, then the 70d is by far the better more all-around camera. The 70 shoots faster, has a better focus system and the video will walk circles around the 6.
By low-light, they mean shooting action in low light. Existing light can be shot easily on a tripod at slow speed, at low ISO. Only action needs high ISO. Unless you are doing indoor sports there are few times you need high ISO.
At least that's how it would work for me. ;-)
SS
K, if you get the 6d and keep the 70, then it migh... (show quote)


That's not entirely true.

The larger optics needed to get the same FOV at the same f# with a larger format camera also happen to be just plain gathering more photons. (Which greatly reduces the variety of noise caused by statistical variations in the number of photons getting from some point in the subject, through the lens aperture, and thence to the relevant pixel from instant to instant.) And the larger "full-well" capacity of the larger pixels in the 6D definitely is of benefit in low-light photography, as it gives the extra electrons knocked loose by the extra photons a place to 'hang out' until the chip gets read out.

Simply extending the exposure does eventually stop having benefits since thermal noise eventually becomes bothersome. And if one is trying to photograph subjects which are not actually stationary in that low light, it will just get one blurs, anyway. Not to mention that even with stationary subjects, there might be benefits to being able to get the exposure quicker-- like not freezing your butt off for so long waiting for the less capable camera to finish its longer exposure.

I've taken side-by side photos with my 6D and a friend's 70D at ISO 6400 (The 6D had a Canon 85mm f/1.8 and the 70D had a Sigma 50mm f/1.4 (the older version)*-- both lenses were set to f/2.

The bodies were set to Av (aperture preferred) mode (shutter speed wound up being 1/10th sec in the 6D and 1/8 in the 70D), 3200K White Balance, Neutral Picture Type with all High-ISO and Long-Exposure Noise reduction turned fully OFF.

Taking equivalent sections out of the centers of the frames showed a lot less noise in the 6D's image.


*using the different F.L. lenses to keep the image scale as similar as possible.

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Jan 19, 2015 12:02:36   #
heyjoe Loc: cincinnati ohio
 
but not full frame,that's a big thing

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Jan 19, 2015 12:16:27   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
7D II does more.


The 6D is also a couple of years old model, now, so it is sliding down the price curve. I'm guessing that there will be a 6DII before too long.

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