Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

It appears that I will be forced into learning LR :cry:

I'm surprised that apple did not choose to compete. I like free enterprise and it works best when there are choices.

Wallbanger Loc: Madison, WI

I don't think you read the article, or didn't read the updates at the end.

CaptureOne is another great option as well.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Knowing Aperture you already know 90% of what you need to know to edit images in LR. What you are probably not familiar with is the database "catalog" that LR uses to import and manage images. Most who have tried it and gotten frustrated (yours truly included), tried to use it like a file browser based application - pick an image on the computer, open it do whatever to it, save it, etc.

With LR you import it into the catalog, during which you can copy it from one location (a card), to another location (your computer). When you look at the folder view of the catalog, you will see it arranged by date, or in the folder you created when you imported the files. At this point you can open an image and edit it, export it, transfer a working copy to another application ("edit in") - PS, OnOne, DXO, etc. When you finish the edit and save after using your application, the edited version of the working copy is in the catalog on the filmstrip at the bottom.

You use one catalog for all your files, never move things around outside of LR (otherwise you will have to resync anything you changed outside of LR), and let LR do all the file mgmt. You can make virtual copies, collections, slide shows, tethered shooting, some local adjustments with brushes, linear and radial gradients, remove red eye, remove dust and some light retouching, etc.

That's it in a nutshell.

Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia

There is no need to convert if you leave PS. LR will open PSD files!!!!! and all files. You can purchase LR as a stand-a-lone and never worry about being left with no alternative.

glgracephoto Loc: Arlington, WA

I owned CS5 but when I got a new D7100 I could no longer open RAW files, so upgraded to the CC.

I have been thoroughly satisfied, and enjoyed the many updates they have done since, and like knowing no matter what new camera I may someday buy, although I am hoping to be content with what I have unless I win the Lotto, it's nice to know my RAW files will work and updates are immediate.

I do not remember exactly what I paid now for my hard copy of CS5, but it was a LOT, and it would indeed have been several years of renting before paying for it, so not "owing" does not bother me. As long as there is a grace period to retrieve images off, should something happen on the monthly payments, I have no intention of cancelling.

dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ

I have Photoshop CS6 and Bridge CS6. In the Bridge CS6 part I have a lot of photos with their associated keywords. I have been following the above discussion.

My question (if it is not out of place in this thread) is: IF/WHEN I migrate to photoshop & Lightroom CC THEN can I keep & migrate the key words in Bridge to Lightroom?

If this is true where can I get more information related to this process?

Thank you for your time and effort.

happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada

Hey Tusketwedge, just to let you know, if you buy stuff while you are in the UK or any other part of the EU when you leave to come home to Canada you go to the VAT office at the airport you are at to come home and show your receipts showing the VAT you paid and you will be reimbursed for all of it as long as the product is leaving with you or was shipped to Canada.

When you enter Canada if the product is less than your allowable amount you don't pay any Canadian taxes either.

Not sure about online purchases from the EU as I have not done that.

My problem is I never spend enough that it is worth it to stand in line and get the VAT back, did it once but that is another story.

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

If they allowed the software to work on your computer without paying the subscription, nobody would pay the subscription.

No problems with monthly auto payments except when my bank switched from Visa to MasterCard, sent me a new one and I forgot to tell Adobe. Even then it wasn't a problem to change it and they didn't shut me off.

I don't think you exactly understand what CC is. You download the software once that must be linked to Adobe through the Internet at least once every 30 days to keep it active. You are leasing the software, not buying it.

The advantage is that you are paying $10 a month to lease both instead of $500+ for them on disk that you buy. It takes one heck of a lot of months to equal $500+ for an outright purchase.

Second advantage: updates are automatic and immediate on CC without you being involved. You don't have to be notified, do the updates, or be involved at all, and the software is kept right up to date all the time.

I had trouble downloading the Creative Cloud software that must be downloaded before you download Photoshop and Lightroom. But I contacted Adobe and the tech led me through fixing the problem with no problem. They're very good about tech support.

glgracephoto Loc: Arlington, WA

[quote=Davethehiker]It appears that I will be forced into learning LR :cry:

I have the CC subscription, but haven't learned LR at all. I would actually LIKE to but when I fiddled with it I was totally baffled, and so have stuck to doing all my heart desires in Photoshop -well, that is, the parts I have learned anyway!

Point is, one does not HAVE to use LR just because it's there :-)

Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania

Point taken :!:

erickter Loc: Dallas,TX

Bingo. You just hit upon Adobe,s long term strategy. It's cheap now. Eventually, when few standalone options remain, CC costs will go up and up, and away.
Some advanced users like CC, and that's their peoragitive

I don't want to be hostige to CFO,s chasing higher returns for Wall Street analysis. OnOne, Corel, Adobe CS6 and PSE and LR are still excellent stand alone alternatives. I don't care about every new wiz bang feature or menu shuffle. Yes, some improvements come along, but 90% of what is needed for PP is available in NON CC stand alone, pay once for life, software.

anotherview Loc: California

Thanks for useful comment. It may dispel some of the nonsense talk about PCC.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Baseless fear mongering is as bad as vapor ware - unless you can provide some links that support you claim of the inside track on Adobe's long term strategy, then your post is useless noise.

happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada

PS has always been a very expensive package, I think if you do the math you are far better off with the subscription. The equivalent of the subscription is at least five years, even more in some cases. Think of how much everything changes in five years. The operating systems on your computer, your computer and then the software. How long are you going to stay with the boxed software before you will want to upgrade. I used PS back when it was PS not 2, 3, 4, 5 or six but went away from photography, came back last year and tried to like PSE and tried some of the others not wanting to spend $700 on a new version of photoshop. Couldn't do it because I want to play with the best tools I can afford. When I saw PS CC and LR at $10 a month I jumped at it, is a great deal for me.

Mobad58

It comes to about $2.31/week. I bet you spend much more than that on coffee, I know I do! I can't beat a deal like that and the price is locked in for a year so no price increases for a year. Also, it takes 60+ weeks(depending on what the price is) to get near the price of a boxed copy and that's just for PS. So will you use PS for 5 years before upgrading? Probably not so take the plunge, it's well worth it.