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Nov 25, 2014 09:26:30   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
sirlensalot wrote:
I think the argument comparing the performance of any crop-sensor with a FF, is useless. The 7D II is better than the original 7D.
The OP said he was looking for a greater DR and IQ and his use was for BIF and low light, indoor sports.
My choice for BIF would probably be the best APS-C I could afford. For low light indoor sports, I would be researching FF.
For both, I would keep the current 7D for BIF, and go with the best combination of price and low light performance for indoor sports. After looking at both the Canon 5D lll and the Nikon D750, it appears the 750 outshines the lll in every category. The fact it is also a bit less than half the price of the lll would make it the clear choice for me.I currently use Canon products.
I think the argument comparing the performance of ... (show quote)


This is mostly correct. I'm not sure if i'm going to keep my 7D. It is a possibility...I'll need to take it to canon for inspection and AF check. Sometimes the focus hunts and misses focus.

The D750 seems to be VASTLY superior to the 5D3 in every way with the exception of 1/4000 vs. 1/8000 shutter speed.

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Nov 25, 2014 10:07:18   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I will be most straightforward!

If you are having IQ problems it is you and not your gear.

I would bet that if you put up some images and if people were willing to be honest with you, you would learn that in all likelihood your focus is off, your f stop is off, your speed is off, your ISO is off or a combination of some or all but your camera is fine!

Don't read reviews they really mean nothing.

Master what you have and then if there is a feature you need to improve on your skills get what you need.

There is a big sign outside of Detroit it reads:

THERE'S AN ASS FOR EVERY SEAT!

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Nov 25, 2014 10:12:58   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
Generally speaking I don't like to quibble with personal preferences, like "I don't like the AF system at all." It is, after all, your money. However, having two very different systems means:

1 - Having to learn both.
2 - Remember which one you have at any time.
3 - Having 2 different sets of lenses and accessories.

I was a Nikon shooter for 40+ years and recently switched, for reasons having nothing to do with Nikon quality, to a micro 4/3 system. I'm sure, though, that I could have been quite happy with a Canon set-up. I'd stick to one system, unless you have a phenomenal memory, have plenty of time to learn both and have almost limitless space and money.

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Nov 25, 2014 10:31:20   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
This is mostly correct. I'm not sure if i'm going to keep my 7D. It is a possibility...I'll need to take it to canon for inspection and AF check. Sometimes the focus hunts and misses focus.

The D750 seems to be VASTLY superior to the 5D3 in every way with the exception of 1/4000 vs. 1/8000 shutter speed.



If not keeping your 7D is a possibility, than I would think the 750 is the best choice to do both with. If memory serves correctly the DxOMark sensor score for sports/low-light is about 30% greater than the III. I am admittedly a bit OCD on the low light-high ISO scores right now, but also admit I am looking for best price for the 750 after looking at the 810, the 7D II and several others as the 750 kept rising to the top for sensor, features, and most of all (to me) value. A few retailers have deeply discounted the Pentax K-5, K-5s, and less so on the K-3, which has a selective anti-alias filter feature that is a bit intriguing. I have a few Pentax lenses, but would need a couple of more. So many choices, so little money. lol

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Nov 25, 2014 10:44:18   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
sirlensalot wrote:
If not keeping your 7D is a possibility, than I would think the 750 is the best choice to do both with. If memory serves correctly the DxOMark sensor score for sports/low-light is about 30% greater than the III. I am admittedly a bit OCD on the low light-high ISO scores right now, but also admit I am looking for best price for the 750 after looking at the 810, the 7D II and several others as the 750 kept rising to the top for sensor, features, and most of all (to me) value. A few retailers have deeply discounted the Pentax K-5, K-5s, and less so on the K-3, which has a selective anti-alias filter feature that is a bit intriguing. I have a few Pentax lenses, but would need a couple of more. So many choices, so little money. lol
If not keeping your 7D is a possibility, than I wo... (show quote)



Keep in mind that a camera is a system in which the sensor is only one component. For wildlife and action both the available lenses and the focusing system are probably more important.

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Nov 25, 2014 11:21:11   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
Here's the deal:

I've been saving my pennies and selling everything I can find in my house that isn't nailed down in order to get a new body. I've been wanting a FF camera for the high quality IQ inherent on FF cameras.

I'm currently shooting Canon. (7D) So I've been thinking of moving to Nikon for the great DR and IQ available on their FF Exmor bodies. Probably a D750. High ISO as well as lowlight sensitivity and state of the, Nikon, art focusing system is a HUGE thing to me.

Then Canon did something unexpected...They created the 7D2 which to my surprise seems to be a really great sports wildlife camera. Unexpectedly good HIGH iso capabilities and the Canon state of the art AF system.

My Thought as bizarre as it may seem is to possibly get BOTH cameras. The 7D2 for My birding and occasional nephews baseball/basketball games. And the 750 for Astro/landscape/night/portraiture.

Thoughts anyone?????
Here's the deal: br br I've been saving my pennie... (show quote)

If you're saving pennies and selling everything that isn't nailed down to buy a camera body perhaps you should be rethinking your priorities.

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Nov 25, 2014 11:21:19   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
ole sarg wrote:
I will be most straightforward!

If you are having IQ problems it is you and not your gear.

I would bet that if you put up some images and if people were willing to be honest with you, you would learn that in all likelihood your focus is off, your f stop is off, your speed is off, your ISO is off or a combination of some or all but your camera is fine!

Don't read reviews they really mean nothing.

Master what you have and then if there is a feature you need to improve on your skills get what you need.

There is a big sign outside of Detroit it reads:

THERE'S AN ASS FOR EVERY SEAT!
I will be most straightforward! br br If you are ... (show quote)


:lol: Thanks for checking in.

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Nov 25, 2014 11:24:19   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
mwsilvers wrote:
If you're saving pennies and selling everything that isn't nailed down to buy a camera body perhaps you should be rethinking your priorities.


:) Thanks for your concern.

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Nov 25, 2014 11:27:17   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Keep in mind that a camera is a system in which the sensor is only one component. For wildlife and action both the available lenses and the focusing system are probably more important.



Good points. The sensor for me is the basic building block for all other components, features, and accessories. I would think low-light/high ISO is the most important part especially for wildlife and sports. Arguably more focus points does not insure a better system, but I do agree a good AF system is as fundamental for good photographing as the sensor. I agree lenses can be critical for both uses, not more important than the aforementioned. While a few exceptions for lenses could be argued as what is "best" for a particular use, I think between the two major manufacturers and to a lesser degree some third party makers, lenses are very comparable in my opinion.

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Nov 25, 2014 11:33:24   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
There is nothing that the Nikon bodies do that Canon bodies can't do equally as well or better.


ptcanon3ti wrote:
Here's the deal:

I've been saving my pennies and selling everything I can find in my house that isn't nailed down in order to get a new body. I've been wanting a FF camera for the high quality IQ inherent on FF cameras.

I'm currently shooting Canon. (7D) So I've been thinking of moving to Nikon for the great DR and IQ available on their FF Exmor bodies. Probably a D750. High ISO as well as lowlight sensitivity and state of the, Nikon, art focusing system is a HUGE thing to me.

Then Canon did something unexpected...They created the 7D2 which to my surprise seems to be a really great sports wildlife camera. Unexpectedly good HIGH iso capabilities and the Canon state of the art AF system.

My Thought as bizarre as it may seem is to possibly get BOTH cameras. The 7D2 for My birding and occasional nephews baseball/basketball games. And the 750 for Astro/landscape/night/portraiture.

Thoughts anyone?????
Here's the deal: br br I've been saving my pennie... (show quote)

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Nov 25, 2014 11:42:06   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Good points. The sensor for me is the basic building block for all other components, features, and accessories. I would think low-light/high ISO is the most important part especially for wildlife and sports. Arguably more focus points does not insure a better system, but I do agree a good AF system is as fundamental for good photographing as the sensor. I agree lenses can be critical for both uses, not more important than the aforementioned. While a few exceptions for lenses could be argued as what is "best" for a particular use, I think between the two major manufacturers and to a lesser degree some third party makers, lenses are very comparable in my opinion.
Good points. The sensor for me is the basic buildi... (show quote)


We think a lot alike. :)

I do believe the lenses are critical though since that is how the camera "sees".

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Nov 25, 2014 11:43:40   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
AntonioReyna wrote:
There is nothing that the Nikon bodies do that Canon bodies can't do equally as well or better.


I disagree. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

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Nov 25, 2014 12:15:19   #
a2000c Loc: ND
 
Go for it!!! I'm a Nikon - Sony kinda guy. Luv'm both. Only live once. :!:

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Nov 25, 2014 12:16:24   #
Bobbee
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
I'm not really struggling for the bodies. I'm pondering what to do. as I sit here looking at the available offerings to date, I see the 7D2 the best available for speed subjects (for reasonable price) and the D750 the best for landscape/night et al...again for a reasonable price.

Glass will be sparse in the beginning...150-600 for the 7D2

16-35 f4, 24-105 f4 and a 70-200 2.8 for the D750

I might also add a Rokinon 14 2.8 for astro.


Then save your money and buy the Nikon D4

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Nov 25, 2014 12:31:22   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
I disagree. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion.


I agree with you. Canon makes much better focusing systems for wildlife and sports. You are right!

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