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Nov 20, 2014 21:18:58 #
After having a deep discussion about this with hubby over dinner, I thought I would pass along some info he shared with me.
1. We don't need oil here. We've already got a glut and the refineries are at capacity. So anything gained from that pipeline will most definitely be shipped overseas. Oil prices will only go so low - if they reach the break even point for those here in the US drilling then the drilling and exploration will slow down or stop until the prices go back up again to make it feasible for the companies doing the exploration and drilling.
2. Those tar sands are going to be pumped thru a pipe with the sand still in them. Sand is abrasive and sooner or later it is going to cause a leak or rupture. Then what?
3. There have been fires in Canada because of the tar sands. That fuel is extremely volatile. Way more than regular light crude. (which is what is piped thru pipelines most of the time) Is the Canadian company who wants to cross the US going to pay for any damage when it happens (because it's a case of WHEN, not "if")?
It is also hazardous to the health of those who work around it (or even just being around it) ... H2S is a flammable, colourless gas whose smell, at low levels, is similar to that of rotten eggs. Workers who are exposed to the gas may suffer eye, nose or throat irritation, and aggravated symptoms may be experienced by those with asthma, bronchitis, or other types of chronic respiratory disease. However, in high concentrations, it will lead to almost instantaneous poisoning and death due to complete arrest of respiration.
And for the record, hubby knows these things and pays attention to them because he is an investor who looks for good investments. So he reads up on oil and gas companies. Perhaps those of you who are so gung-ho to get this thing built for 35 jobs should do some more reading on the subject? Any jobs beyond 35 are TEMPORARY jobs... you just aren't being told they're temporary. And for those who think the pipeline will help create jobs elsewhere because it'll mean trains and trucks can haul other things. The train cars and trucks are built to haul specific things. You can't use an oil car to haul something else any more than you can use the trailer on a truck to haul something it wasn't meant to haul. So it could just as easily put truckers and train employees out of business. We have a train car restoration site here where I live .... it costs a fortune to refurbish those cars.
1. We don't need oil here. We've already got a glut and the refineries are at capacity. So anything gained from that pipeline will most definitely be shipped overseas. Oil prices will only go so low - if they reach the break even point for those here in the US drilling then the drilling and exploration will slow down or stop until the prices go back up again to make it feasible for the companies doing the exploration and drilling.
2. Those tar sands are going to be pumped thru a pipe with the sand still in them. Sand is abrasive and sooner or later it is going to cause a leak or rupture. Then what?
3. There have been fires in Canada because of the tar sands. That fuel is extremely volatile. Way more than regular light crude. (which is what is piped thru pipelines most of the time) Is the Canadian company who wants to cross the US going to pay for any damage when it happens (because it's a case of WHEN, not "if")?
It is also hazardous to the health of those who work around it (or even just being around it) ... H2S is a flammable, colourless gas whose smell, at low levels, is similar to that of rotten eggs. Workers who are exposed to the gas may suffer eye, nose or throat irritation, and aggravated symptoms may be experienced by those with asthma, bronchitis, or other types of chronic respiratory disease. However, in high concentrations, it will lead to almost instantaneous poisoning and death due to complete arrest of respiration.
And for the record, hubby knows these things and pays attention to them because he is an investor who looks for good investments. So he reads up on oil and gas companies. Perhaps those of you who are so gung-ho to get this thing built for 35 jobs should do some more reading on the subject? Any jobs beyond 35 are TEMPORARY jobs... you just aren't being told they're temporary. And for those who think the pipeline will help create jobs elsewhere because it'll mean trains and trucks can haul other things. The train cars and trucks are built to haul specific things. You can't use an oil car to haul something else any more than you can use the trailer on a truck to haul something it wasn't meant to haul. So it could just as easily put truckers and train employees out of business. We have a train car restoration site here where I live .... it costs a fortune to refurbish those cars.
Nov 20, 2014 21:33:50 #
FastFrank
Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Wrong. Alaskan oil has been sold overseas for years. Companies will sell their products at the best price and where ever they can. Their goal is to return profits to their investors. I live in a state with large natural gas reserves. This gas is pumped out and a large portion is shipped overseas. They don't wait for us to use it here. If they did they woul go broke.
Nov 20, 2014 21:35:24 #
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Nov 20, 2014 21:42:05 #
Screamin Scott wrote:
At least they report things that happen that the mainstream media won't because of the detrimental effect it has on the administration.... Although I have noticed that NBC, ABC & CBS have gotten a tad bit more confrontational with the administration...Plus Fox (which I really watch very seldom) has much higher ratings than any other news station. That in itself is very telling as to believability...
Ah, yes, ratings. The majority of people under the age of, say, 55 in this country, don't watch television news. Those who do, are in the 65 and over age group. And the majority of those people who do get their news from TV, watch FOX News. The older people get, the more conservation they seem to become.
Most of the younger viewers FOX has had have been leaving on a steady basis for quite a few years now. Guess they're not as easily scared as FOX's senior viewers.
Nov 20, 2014 23:26:39 #
nakkh wrote:
Keystone's still a dog.
The oil sands oil is the dirtiest oil on the planet. You should read a little bit about that or maybe you have and just don't give a shit. The latter seems more likely. Cheap energy at any cost.
The oil sands oil is the dirtiest oil on the planet. You should read a little bit about that or maybe you have and just don't give a shit. The latter seems more likely. Cheap energy at any cost.
I know a tad about it, unlike your lack of any knowledge in the global oil markets.
Nov 20, 2014 23:53:03 #
silver
Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
Screamin Scott wrote:
Are you dense?.... You must be if you don't realize that when the supply goes up over demand, prices decline... Oil is an internationally traded commodity (in case you didn't know), thus increased production affects prices worldwide...
The keystone oil is a drop in the bucket as far as world supplies. All of the oil and its products are going over seas, the only ones making money will be the pipeline people and the refiners. This is not a good situation for America, its a rip off.
Nov 21, 2014 00:58:54 #
silver wrote:
The keystone oil is a drop in the bucket as far as world supplies. All of the oil and its products are going over seas, the only ones making money will be the pipeline people and the refiners. This is not a good situation for America, its a rip off.
Well said.
Nov 21, 2014 01:13:04 #
silver wrote:
The keystone oil is a drop in the bucket as far as world supplies. All of the oil and its products are going over seas, the only ones making money will be the pipeline people and the refiners. This is not a good situation for America, its a rip off.
We have to build it to see what comes out the other end... that is the Democrat way of getting something done. :thumbup: 8-) :lol: :roll:
Nov 21, 2014 01:15:49 #
Bangee5 wrote:
We have to build it to see what comes out the other end... that is the Democrat way of getting something done. :thumbup: 8-) :lol: :roll:
If I recall correctly, it's the GOP that wants to build it, not the Democrats.
Nov 21, 2014 01:33:02 #
fbluhm wrote:
If I recall correctly, it's the GOP that wants to build it, not the Democrats.
Oh come on! Can't you take a joke?
Of course it is the GOP that wants the pipeline... they and every American citizen that is not a die-hard Democrat. Of course, there are some Democrats that also want it, one being from Louisiana but that won't help her come Dec 6.
Nov 21, 2014 01:35:35 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Oh come on! Can't you take a joke?
Of course it is the GOP that wants the pipeline... they and every American citizen that is not a die-hard Democrat. Of course, there are some Democrats that also want it, one being from Louisiana but that won't help her come Dec 6.
Of course it is the GOP that wants the pipeline... they and every American citizen that is not a die-hard Democrat. Of course, there are some Democrats that also want it, one being from Louisiana but that won't help her come Dec 6.
I can take a joke. Just couldn't tell you meant it that way.
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Nov 21, 2014 08:48:07 #
So in other words you could care less about what they're doing to the environment up in Canada as long as there's cheap oil.
Cykdelic wrote:
I know a tad about it, unlike your lack of any knowledge in the global oil markets.
Nov 21, 2014 09:04:41 #
Senate Keystone Yea Votes Took In Six Times More Oil & Gas Money Than Opponents
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/11/senate-keystone-yea-votes-took-in-six-times-more-oil-gas-money-than-opponents/
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/11/senate-keystone-yea-votes-took-in-six-times-more-oil-gas-money-than-opponents/
Nov 21, 2014 09:53:33 #
nakkh wrote:
So in other words you could care less about what they're doing to the environment up in Canada as long as there's cheap oil.
Canada is doing it regardless if we have the pipeline built. The only question is do we earn any right over its building (ie safety, integrity, etc) by building it in the U.S., and by doing so create tens of thousands of jobs building it and a lotta permanent jobs to refine it and ship it, or let it all be built by Fanada and China and skip us.
I will trust the Canadians to adequately protect their environment.
Nov 21, 2014 12:33:28 #
Cykdelic wrote:
Canada is doing it regardless if we have the pipeline built. The only question is do we earn any right over its building (ie safety, integrity, etc) by building it in the U.S., and by doing so create tens of thousands of jobs building it and a lotta permanent jobs to refine it and ship it, or let it all be built by Fanada and China and skip us.
I will trust the Canadians to adequately protect their environment.
I will trust the Canadians to adequately protect their environment.
They aren't & you shouldn't.
http://business.financialpost.com/2013/11/05/canadas-poor-environment-record-could-hit-energy-exports-watchdog-warns/?__lsa=6905-369d
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