Yes, I consider it a professional "crop frame" camera. But then again I don't need to ask which lens should be used. EF-S lenses have their limitations. If you read what I wrote, I suggested the 18-135 would be fine, but would prefer the 15-85 or 17-85. The 18-200 was another option.

Anyone buying the 7d II is buying a pro camera. But that doesn't mean that they're not a newbe, or new to the field. Most regular's here wouldn't need to ask about which lens they'd use, most have their own seasoned opinion.

I've seen the same remarks regarding the 18-135, that you make regarding the 18-200. And I seen scathing remarks on some the L lenses also. Your entitled to your opinion, me to mine. But they don't pair the Pro L lenses with the new 7d II, they're pairing the EF-S lenses.

Actually your last statement is only partially accurate. If you took a poll here you'd find that 7D owners use more FF lenses on their bodies than crop frame lenses. They are often mated with full frame primes and telephoto lenses from various manufacturers, including Canon L lenses. While the EFs 15-85 and the EFs 17-55 are very popular choices, so is the 24-105L, and the 17-40L, and the 70-200L and the 85L etc. Just because the camera is often sold with a kit lens, doesn't mean everyone buys it that way. I will be picking one up soon without the kit lenses and will happily be using it with both my FF and crop frame lenses.

Actually your last statement is only partially accurate. If you took a poll here you'd find that 7D owners use more FF lenses on their bodies than crop frame lenses. They are often mated with full frame primes and telephoto lenses from various manufacturers, including Canon L lenses. While the EFs 15-85 and the EFs 17-55 are very popular choices, so is the 24-105L, and the 17-40L, and the 70-200L and the 85L etc. Just because the camera is often sold with a kit lens, doesn't mean everyone buys it that way. I will be picking one up soon without the kit lenses and will happily be using it with both my FF and crop frame lenses.

A poll here would have nothing to do with the fact that seldom is a crop frame camera offered with an "L" lens. At least at a good price. If you negotiate an "L" into the deal, great, but it's not a kit lens. And deals on "L" lenses are few. And the original question was what lens to use, which tells me that the person asking is relatively new to the field. And opinions vary widely on what folks would use on this camera. Like I said, your entitled to your opinion. I too will be doing the same. But if you need view angle, an "L" lens eats up alot of picture on a crop frame camera.

I too don't recall ever seeing an EF lens of any type offered as a "kit lens" on a Canon APS-C. Certainly not an L, at least to my knowledge. That doesn't mean that an L would always be a waste of money on an APS-C though. Most lenses tend to show distortion and ca to varying degrees at the outer edges. Center areas tend to be sharper and clearer. Using an EF-S lens, which uses the full width of the lens, will show those defects. With an EF lens, particularly an L, you are only using the center of the lens. The so-called "sweet spot". For example, when I had my 70D there was no correction data in the camera for my EF35mm f/1.4 L. Put that lens on my 6D, where it uses the full width of the lens and now there is correction data applied by the camera.