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Nov 10, 2014 08:45:14   #
muttperk
 
If I was a warden and wanted to reduce the availability of means to smuggle small packets of powder into an secure area, I would prohibit cameras before phones.

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Nov 10, 2014 08:51:44   #
muttperk
 
nikonbug wrote:
As a former policeman, here is the U.S. law. Public buildings are really not public. They are private for the use of the public. The rules thereby enacted by the managers of the buildings prevail. Just like the streets and sidewalks of a town are private for the use of the public. They are subject to the laws enacted for the town. Eg: behavior, parking, driving, etc.

Just know the law...

Who owns the streets and sidewalks? If Main St USA is privately owned, who asses value and collects property taxes?

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Nov 10, 2014 08:56:04   #
MW
 
redhogbill wrote:
I have been to a couple few concerts that were the same, no "professional cameras" but people were using cell phones, when I finally got an answer from promoters, it went like this "people with professional cameras are here to make money on there photography! and the fans with cell phones are only getting memorabilia!!!"
I argued to no avail!! closed minds!!
BUT , then again I have been to concerts where they don't even care!!!
Bonnie Raitt's security will confiscate phones if you are caught taking photos!!
I have been to a couple few concerts that were the... (show quote)


I was recently at a Penn &Teller performance. It began with Penn requesting everyone to take out their cell phones and turn then on! From there it got complicated.

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Nov 10, 2014 09:00:17   #
rick Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
nikonbug wrote:
As a former policeman, here is the U.S. law. Public buildings are really not public. They are private for the use of the public. The rules thereby enacted by the managers of the buildings prevail. Just like the streets and sidewalks of a town are private for the use of the public. They are subject to the laws enacted for the town. Eg: behavior, parking, driving, etc.

Just know the law...


I'm glad I did not live in the town in which you were a policeman. Nothing worse than a policeman who just makes up the law which is what you have done here.

"Just know the law..." Great advice, you should follow it.

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Nov 10, 2014 09:02:02   #
muttperk
 
muttperk wrote:
Who owns the streets and sidewalks? If Main St USA is privately owned, who asses value and collects property taxes?


assesses of course

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Nov 10, 2014 09:02:41   #
rick Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
jfn007 wrote:
I do not go to that third world cesspool Mexico anymore. Down there I feel more like a target than a "guest." Why go to mexico? I just drive through South Central Los Angeles and get the same nauseous feeling.


Oh, so it is not Mexico you hate, just all Mexicans whether they live in Mexico or here. Gotcha.

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Nov 10, 2014 09:26:34   #
YoungEsqr Loc: Minnesota
 
Let me give you folks a real life experience. Years ago I went to Maui and there's a nude beach there called 'Little Beach'. The beach is public and not legal. No signs are posted as to rules and regulations and clothing is optional. I saw a guy taking pictures of women would were in the nude for the most part. The guy was trying to hide his camera while doing this but was caught. Several men grabbed him, picked him up along with his camera up, and carried him into the Pacific ocean. I don't know what his rights were or how much his camera costed or where he went to complain. That is the end of my story.

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Nov 10, 2014 09:59:53   #
Don Craig Loc: Saranac, NY
 
This story about Deputy Glans in New york was published in our local newspaper today.
I think this will become an issue over 1st and 4th amendment rights with the newsmedia, civil rights activists and the police.
The police have been called to task before by civilian review boards and I think it will happen again.
Public streets and buildings are payed for by citizen taxpayers. They may be controlled for public safety, but they are not private.
As in what's next: Private government? Police as a private enforcer for politicians?

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Nov 10, 2014 10:21:08   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
Cameras EVERYWHERE...

I Mean EVERYWHERE....

So there is ALWAYS some "Photography" going on EVERYWHERE and at ALL times 24 - 7. We have Cell-Phones -- I-Pads, And almost everything have a damn camera in it. When out in the general public I know full well what I can photograph and what I can NOT. Usually I simply follow my "gut", and what I feel is appropriate to capture images of. And IF I do happen to have someone that can be recolonized - I know that IF I Wish To Sell THAT Print --- I MUST get a RELEASE from that person.

We ALL must know what are our rights - and too - what is appropriate to make a print of.

As a "Traveling Photographer" I have been asked as to the Why I do not go Outside of the U.S. Borders. I have one simple answer to that... But it is in two parts...

1.) I am Not Finished with capturing images of the United States. = And it Will most likely Never Be Finished.

2.) I am an American Photographer that just so happens to be in love with where I am and have lived Most of my life.

I could say that I really do not travel to other countries because I detest Bullshit.. However We Here have our own brand of that, for sure.

I really enjoy seeing other Traveling Photographers work from other places of the world, and do admire their work greatly. But for me... Well... I am really not finished with what I see I can do Here in the U.S.

;-)

That may be a bit "short-sighted" of me but I am very comfortable with what I do as my art.

((When the Sign reads "NO PHOTOGRAPHY" does that mean No "Snapshots" as well??? This is really going to be difficult to enforce as there are so many cell-phones that have "cameras" in them... Hell!!!! I have seen homeless people living on the street with cell-phones.))

I think that there is enough stress on a police officer - why pile on more bullshit.??

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Nov 10, 2014 10:24:13   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
You are so funny sometimes! :thumbup:


Sometimes I do actually get a good photograph. ;)
But mostly just pictures. :|

But the shutter button is getting pushed more than the delete button.

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Nov 10, 2014 14:49:24   #
74images Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
I had an issue in Long Beach, Calif (20 miles s/of L.A.), & I was at the transit gallery where the Long Beach Transit busses & the Metro Blue Line lays over at, it was a sunday night in august 2013 & I had my Canon Powershot SX 150 Is, point & shoot & it was mounted on a tripod, & a minute later was approached by a long beach police officer on why I was taking photos at the transit gallery.

& I told him I was taking a selfy of myself, & gave me this bullshit on I cant take photos in the transit gallery cause its under the damn protection of the ''Homeland Securiy'', & I would have to get special permission just to take photos in the transit gallery, now that's plain ''bullshit'' to me!

Its just pushing it too far with stupid & silly rules on over where to take a photo or photos at, if you know what I mean!

74images :thumbdown: :x

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Nov 10, 2014 18:31:39   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
krl48 wrote:
Really? You think that's the law in the United States? I think your interpretation of the law couldn't be more incorrect, sir.


Now real need to argue guys. I think the U.S. Supreme Court has chimed in on this a few times.

Also there is a difference between rules and laws.

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Nov 10, 2014 18:52:03   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Now real need to argue guys. I think the U.S. Supreme Court has chimed in on this a few times.

Also there is a difference between rules and laws.


I just received this pdf from lawyer in Oregon. It is titled "The Photographers Rights in the United States". Some of them, while they may be rights, may be hard arguments to win at the time without legal representation.

Here is his copyright info: Bert P. Krages II
Attorney at Law
6665 S.W. Hampton Street, Suite 200
Portland, Oregon 97223
www.krages.com
© 2003 Bert P. Krages II

The Photographers Rights
Attached file:
(Download)

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Nov 10, 2014 19:37:23   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto:
rbfanman wrote:
In the USA, you have the right to photograph anyone, or anything, that is in a public place, and need no permission. That is what makes News photography / videography possible. Other nations have different laws, and there is nothing you can do about it. Know the law, in the location you are in, before you press that shutter release.

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Nov 10, 2014 21:17:41   #
Don Craig Loc: Saranac, NY
 
dcampbell52 wrote:
I just received this pdf from lawyer in Oregon. It is titled "The Photographers Rights in the United States". Some of them, while they may be rights, may be hard arguments to win at the time without legal representation.

Here is his copyright info: Bert P. Krages II
Attorney at Law
6665 S.W. Hampton Street, Suite 200
Portland, Oregon 97223
www.krages.com
© 2003 Bert P. Krages II


This all seems to be reasonable information. But as he recommends, get a lawyer.

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