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Mar 4, 2012 20:27:14   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
Nikon_DonB wrote:
I had a similar situation but just the opposite this last July. I took my D3100 to my favorite niece's wedding and reception and took a multitude of pix of the event.
She had a friend shooting the event who was supposedly a pro she knew from college. This so-called pro had a couple of fancy looking Canons(I won't say a word here.)

I got a call the next morning from by sister-in-law(my niece's mother)and she was hysterical. It turns out that somehow the so-called pros memory chips from "both" of her Canons somehow had gotten wet and were destroyed. All the images were lost.

Well, Uncle Don to the rescue. I had a few hundred images of the entire day. Boy was my wife "eating crow," because she had harped at me all afternoon about taking so many pix.
As she said,"Ya know they have a professional here for that!" "You are just getting in the way!"

"How much in the way am I now???" I asked her.
I had a similar situation but just the opposite th... (show quote)


The "pro" probably just screwed the photos up so bad that he didn't want anyone to see them, so he made up the wet card story.

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Mar 4, 2012 20:29:50   #
kristinelogan Loc: Indiana
 
You know, ThomasS, I believe you are right. I think the "pro" screwed up the shoot and didn't have a clue until he downloaded the pictures. Then he had to figure a way out to "save face."

Just a hunch...

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Mar 4, 2012 20:30:33   #
PamelaSue Loc: Dayton, Ohio
 
You so did the right thing by saying "no". My sister's wedding was outdoors and I took lots of photos (and she had a professional as well...so no pressure on my part). Because my photos did turn out really nice, my niece asked me to take her wedding photos. I told her no. Her wedding was in November and in a very small church with horrible lighting. My sisters was a beautiful sunny day in July but with the perfect amount of shading from trees so no harsh shadows. Although I do take outdoor portraits for graduating senior, I do not have the skills, fancy equipment or desire to learn the ins and outs of taking indoor weddings. Too much pressure. For the fun of it, I did purchase a larger flash to see how I would do at my niece's reception. A few were good...but more were bad. SO glad I told her no. My niece was disappointed at first when I said no, but understood why after I showed her some of my photos LOL. Told her I'd make her a digital photo album with the professionals photos and she absolutely loved that offer.

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Mar 4, 2012 21:10:18   #
davejann Loc: Portland Oregon
 
I am a retired doc and one of the first thing we absorbed in Med School was do not treat your family! Other professions are much the same, I am sure.

Dave

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Mar 4, 2012 21:17:51   #
AVarley Loc: Central Valley, California
 
guy145 wrote:
I was a meat cutter by trade. When I was first married my moyher-in-law volentered me to cut up chickens for our annual family picnic. enough for 200 people. I was to get them wholesale and cut them up in her kitchen. It turn in to chicken cutting lesson for all the old ladies in the family, they were at her house waitng for me. Cutting up a couple hundred pounds of whole fryers in someones kitchen is no party with bunch of old ladies wanting learning how to save a dime. After I was done and my mother-in-law was cleaning all the blood and guts up. I ask her what she learned today. Never have chicken cutting party again and go to the store for her cutup chickens. Chickens cost at that time .19lb and she save only $5.

I don't know what this has to do with wedding photography I just wanted to tell this story on how somebody knows somebody and tries to get it done cheaper.
I was a meat cutter by trade. When I was first mar... (show quote)


ROFL! Great story ... and has everything to do with the common denominator of this entire thread.

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Mar 4, 2012 23:07:19   #
Big Daddy Loc: Near Cleveland
 
You really did do the right thing. I have done 3 relatives weddings and I finally started telling them no. Why? Because you are her brother and have a right to be there and enjoy your sisters wedding. I missed out on 3 weddings and all my memories are of them is all the hassles of the shoot. Dont feel bad!

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Mar 4, 2012 23:08:04   #
Big Daddy Loc: Near Cleveland
 
You really did do the right thing. I have done 3 relatives weddings and I finally started telling them no. Why? Because you are her brother and have a right to be there and enjoy your sisters wedding. I missed out on 3 weddings and all my memories are of them is all the hassles of the shoot. Dont feel bad!

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Mar 4, 2012 23:26:47   #
Lazy Old Coot Loc: Gainesville, Florida
 
AVarley wrote:
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. She gave me the "but you've got that great camera" speech (rolling eyes), and then played the "we can't afford to pay for photographer" card. Then she played to my ego with "but you do such a great job on pictures (did she say "pictures?" ), didn't you get some awards or something?"

I took a deep breath and still turned her down ... so she cried.

I told her that the day was too important for someone to "photograph" it who is only comfortable photographing the great outdoors. Continued by telling her that if she and her wedding party were a grove of trees or a mountainside and meadow, I'd be all over it. I just dont do humans because I dont understand humans. Period. I just know that if I caved and did the photos, there would be the inevitable repercussions later, along with decades (yes, decades) of passive-negativity in commentary from the family, most particularly the bride.

So I compromised. I'm sending her a check to help pay for a pro, and since I'm in another state, contacted a buddy of mine there who can help research a wedding pro with her.

I am feeling a little bad about it all, but feel confident in the resolve. I posted this story here for you guys to make me feel better about it, so please do your best!
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. ... (show quote)


Sounds to me like you're a woman with uncommonly good sense. ........ Coot

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Mar 4, 2012 23:36:19   #
Lazy Old Coot Loc: Gainesville, Florida
 
Old Timer wrote:
Dealings of any kind with family or friends usually does not have a desirable out come. You are not supposed to charge if it is family, but if you do free you are being a good guy, but that is all right because you do not charge family. But if you need help or a favor back, be ready for an excuses.


I was in sales for almost forty years. I learned very early in my career that while making friends out of your customers is a great idea, making customers out of your friends is not a good idea at all. ....... Gray

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Mar 4, 2012 23:46:37   #
Babushka317 Loc: Vermont
 
Lazy Old Coot wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
Dealings of any kind with family or friends usually does not have a desirable out come. You are not supposed to charge if it is family, but if you do free you are being a good guy, but that is all right because you do not charge family. But if you need help or a favor back, be ready for an excuses.


I was in sales for almost forty years. I learned very early in my career that while making friends out of your customers is a great idea, making customers out of your friends is not a good idea at all. ....... Gray
quote=Old Timer Dealings of any kind with family ... (show quote)


I was advised by a very wise man once...NEVER do business with a family member...it usually ends up a DISASTER.

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Mar 4, 2012 23:46:41   #
catkinson54
 
To much partying and getting into a swimming pool perhaps? :)

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Mar 5, 2012 00:16:15   #
photo guy Loc: Chippewa Falls, WI
 
I have another wedding that I attended for a cousin who got married since he is in the military (soon to be honorably discharged)in the fall before he was to be deployed in the winter just months after and I did not volunteer to take photos. They asked a friend of theirs to take the photos since they were having an outdoors wedding and didn't want to hire a pro. Turned out great as many people brought cameras and were allowed to take photos at the end of the wedding in a nice location in the back yard by the man-made pond with waterfall just over from where the wedding took place with some nice woods for a natural backdrop. A friend of the family is a pro photographer and was also invited but only brought his p&s camera and ended up taking some beautiful shots. The family friend and I both gave my cousin a cd of all the photos we took that day for his album. Best way this way.

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Mar 5, 2012 01:32:37   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
AVarley wrote:
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. She gave me the "but you've got that great camera" speech (rolling eyes), and then played the "we can't afford to pay for photographer" card. Then she played to my ego with "but you do such a great job on pictures (did she say "pictures?" ), didn't you get some awards or something?"

I took a deep breath and still turned her down ... so she cried.

I told her that the day was too important for someone to "photograph" it who is only comfortable photographing the great outdoors. Continued by telling her that if she and her wedding party were a grove of trees or a mountainside and meadow, I'd be all over it. I just dont do humans because I dont understand humans. Period. I just know that if I caved and did the photos, there would be the inevitable repercussions later, along with decades (yes, decades) of passive-negativity in commentary from the family, most particularly the bride.

So I compromised. I'm sending her a check to help pay for a pro, and since I'm in another state, contacted a buddy of mine there who can help research a wedding pro with her.

I am feeling a little bad about it all, but feel confident in the resolve. I posted this story here for you guys to make me feel better about it, so please do your best!
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. ... (show quote)


You did exactly the right thing. Business and relatives/friends don't mix. Repercussions definitely could have, and probably would have, occurred and you avoided the whole thing. Congrats for staying strong in the face of tears and begging.

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Mar 5, 2012 01:33:28   #
Tina
 
AVarley wrote:
Thanks all for your words of support and your stories from the family-photography trenches.

... btw, just got off the phone with our mom. Yup, she played the mom card. (sheesh) Still not happenin sis, sorry. She was always a brat, even when we were kids. :)


Stick to your guns and enjoy the family occasion. I commend you for your willingness to pay toward the photography fees. In the end, you know your family best and don't let them rob you of your peace. I think it's difficult to fully enjoy the wedding celebration and take pictures at the same time especially, if you're the main shooter. The question is, shall I work (even when I don't want to) or can I enjoy the wedding like the rest of the family? I think you made the best decision and that is, what will work best for you and everyone else in the long run even, if they can't appreciate it right now.

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Mar 5, 2012 03:02:42   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
It just so happens I am looking for some way to photo a wedding so I can get some experience. I would have love to shoot someone wedding for free but I wouldn't be able to guarantee anything. It only would work if they would not have photos taken anyway, but as you see from responses they always manage to get them taken some way and they always expect top quality.
AVarley wrote:
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. She gave me the "but you've got that great camera" speech (rolling eyes), and then played the "we can't afford to pay for photographer" card. Then she played to my ego with "but you do such a great job on pictures (did she say "pictures?" ), didn't you get some awards or something?"

I took a deep breath and still turned her down ... so she cried.

I told her that the day was too important for someone to "photograph" it who is only comfortable photographing the great outdoors. Continued by telling her that if she and her wedding party were a grove of trees or a mountainside and meadow, I'd be all over it. I just dont do humans because I dont understand humans. Period. I just know that if I caved and did the photos, there would be the inevitable repercussions later, along with decades (yes, decades) of passive-negativity in commentary from the family, most particularly the bride.

So I compromised. I'm sending her a check to help pay for a pro, and since I'm in another state, contacted a buddy of mine there who can help research a wedding pro with her.

I am feeling a little bad about it all, but feel confident in the resolve. I posted this story here for you guys to make me feel better about it, so please do your best!
... when I told her I wouldn't shoot her wedding. ... (show quote)

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