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Oct 29, 2014 07:46:32   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
I prefer razor sharp


Isn't that more related to the photographer than the lens?

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Oct 29, 2014 07:56:35   #
Bob Grove
 
The hummingbird shot has a sharp head, but blurry body and tail. worsening with distance from your camera. This, plus the blurry background, would indicate that you used a wide F stop for more light, and you were up close, resulting in a very shallow depth of field.

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Oct 29, 2014 08:29:28   #
cuzinvin Loc: Reno, Nevada
 
If there's anything wrong with this shot, it's my fault, not that of the camera, a Fuji X-T1 with the 18-55 "kit" lens. The camera is a joy to carry around vs. my Nikon with its heavy lenses, but it does have its limitations. As we've seen before on this site, there doesn't seem to be such a thing as the perfect camera. Trade-offs exist buying cameras, cars, houses, and a lot more. Don't let the goal of perfection prevent you from buying a mirrorless camera - just do your homework. And pay no attention to rude or smart-assed remarks on this site. Good luck.



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Oct 29, 2014 08:42:43   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)
This whole thread is pointless without a frame of reference. I could easily join in and tell you that I can take a tack sharp image with my smart phone which is undeniably mirror-less but where does that get anyone?

Unless you show us examples of the unacceptable images together with info on the mirror-less camera used and EXIF data, this thread is going nowhere.

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Oct 29, 2014 08:45:47   #
Goober Loc: Southeastern PA
 
One of the responses you received here on the forum was completely uncalled for and that person is obviously not an accomplished photographer. Your question was certainly valid and warrants an answer.

I have been heavily involved in photography for over 40 years and grew-up shooting 35mm, medium format and 4 x 5 sheet film and learned to appreciate the sharpness difference between the various formats. I have been shooting Canon APSC for years and was never really totally happy with fine detail compared to the larger format films I was used to.

I recently purchased the Sony A7s FF format mirror less camera and am thrilled with the detail I have been able to achieve right out of the camera with no PP sharpening. So far I have not processed any images in photoshop or printed due to other time commitments but the fine detail compared to my other cameras is immediately obvious on the my MAC retina display. The A7s does have a few drawbacks but none of them are a concern for me as I do not shoot sports or fast action. It does have a noisy shutter curtain as outlined in all the reviews but no worse than the Hasselblad that I used to use with film. I have only purchased the Sony/Zeiss 24-70 F4 lens so far but also purchased the Metabones adapter so I can use all my Canon lenses as well.

So, in conclusion, I am extremely happy with the detail from images I have shot so far and also achieved my goal of lightening my load with a camera body about half the weight and 2/3 the size of my SLR's.

Good luck and I hope the above helps.

Regards,
Goober

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Oct 29, 2014 09:02:27   #
msettanni
 
Yes. Any of the Fuji X series with one of their great lenses (23/1.4, for example).

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Oct 29, 2014 09:10:16   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Bob Grove wrote:
The hummingbird shot has a sharp head, but blurry body and tail. worsening with distance from your camera. This, plus the blurry background, would indicate that you used a wide F stop for more light, and you were up close, resulting in a very shallow depth of field.


Which made for a nice shot that leads the viewer's eye to the birds eye. At least I am going to assume your point was to complement the photographer.

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Oct 29, 2014 09:36:14   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)




The Sony a6000 takes outstanding photos, period. I have not used the others, but I'm sure that many are competitive, or they wouldn't be in business.

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Oct 29, 2014 09:44:59   #
RRRoger Loc: Monterey Bay, California
 
1. The lens is more important than the camera to get sharp (detailed) pictures.
2. A TriPod might be absolutely necessary.
3. Lighting and air quality can be critical.
4. It depends a lot on how you set up your camera.
Because there is such a current emphasis on High ISO ratings, default settings are often "soft" to mask artifacts and aliasing.

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Oct 29, 2014 09:45:49   #
GDRoth Loc: Southeast Michigan USA
 
Or maybe just tell us which "mirrorless" camera you are considering.........

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Oct 29, 2014 09:55:59   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Goober wrote:
One of the responses you received here on the forum was completely uncalled for and that person is obviously not an accomplished photographer. Your question was certainly valid and warrants an answer.

I have been heavily involved in photography for over 40 years and grew-up shooting 35mm, medium format and 4 x 5 sheet film and learned to appreciate the sharpness difference between the various formats. I have been shooting Canon APSC for years and was never really totally happy with fine detail compared to the larger format films I was used to.

I recently purchased the Sony A7s FF format mirror less camera and am thrilled with the detail I have been able to achieve right out of the camera with no PP sharpening. So far I have not processed any images in photoshop or printed due to other time commitments but the fine detail compared to my other cameras is immediately obvious on the my MAC retina display. The A7s does have a few drawbacks but none of them are a concern for me as I do not shoot sports or fast action. It does have a noisy shutter curtain as outlined in all the reviews but no worse than the Hasselblad that I used to use with film. I have only purchased the Sony/Zeiss 24-70 F4 lens so far but also purchased the Metabones adapter so I can use all my Canon lenses as well.

So, in conclusion, I am extremely happy with the detail from images I have shot so far and also achieved my goal of lightening my load with a camera body about half the weight and 2/3 the size of my SLR's.

Good luck and I hope the above helps.

Regards,
Goober
One of the responses you received here on the foru... (show quote)


Welcome Goober!

Be sure to sign in HERE: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-93497-1.html

...as a new Sony user. :thumbup:

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Oct 29, 2014 10:08:47   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)


PLEASE post some examples. And include camera model name. I've seen the images that some of my classmates have taken with mirrorless cameras and they are tack sharp. Many make me jealous using my DSLRs. Are you sure you understand the term "mirrorless"? Point-N-shoots, and cell phone cameras are mirrorless cameras, a 1960 Leica M-3 is mirrorless, a 8x10" view camera is (usually) mirrorless, but that is not what we are talking about. Meaning are the poor images that you are finding taken with what we all mean as mirrorless cameras?

Sorry if some UHH members seem rude or impatient. Many are opinionated if not still knowledgeable.

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Oct 29, 2014 10:11:32   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Goober wrote:
One of the responses you received here on the forum was completely uncalled for and that person is obviously not an accomplished photographer. Your question was certainly valid and warrants an answer.

I have been heavily involved in photography for over 40 years and grew-up shooting 35mm, medium format and 4 x 5 sheet film and learned to appreciate the sharpness difference between the various formats. I have been shooting Canon APSC for years and was never really totally happy with fine detail compared to the larger format films I was used to.

I recently purchased the Sony A7s FF format mirror less camera and am thrilled with the detail I have been able to achieve right out of the camera with no PP sharpening. So far I have not processed any images in photoshop or printed due to other time commitments but the fine detail compared to my other cameras is immediately obvious on the my MAC retina display. The A7s does have a few drawbacks but none of them are a concern for me as I do not shoot sports or fast action. It does have a noisy shutter curtain as outlined in all the reviews but no worse than the Hasselblad that I used to use with film. I have only purchased the Sony/Zeiss 24-70 F4 lens so far but also purchased the Metabones adapter so I can use all my Canon lenses as well.

So, in conclusion, I am extremely happy with the detail from images I have shot so far and also achieved my goal of lightening my load with a camera body about half the weight and 2/3 the size of my SLR's.

Good luck and I hope the above helps.

Regards,
Goober
One of the responses you received here on the foru... (show quote)


That answer should help.

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Oct 29, 2014 10:23:49   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bob Grove wrote:
The hummingbird shot has a sharp head, but blurry body and tail. worsening with distance from your camera. This, plus the blurry background, would indicate that you used a wide F stop for more light, and you were up close, resulting in a very shallow depth of field.


I was getting ready to set up the camera because this one hummer was coming by frequently that afternoon but I wasn't ready at all but I took the picture anyway. The lens was wide open yes, but at least you can see that what was in focus is very sharp even though the window between us was pretty dirty. In general that same hammer is the only one that comes to this feeder and if you make one tiny move, it takes off imnediately so I had no other choice.

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Oct 29, 2014 10:35:05   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Goober wrote:
One of the responses you received here on the forum was completely uncalled for and that person is obviously not an accomplished photographer. Your question was certainly valid and warrants an answer.

I have been heavily involved in photography for over 40 years and grew-up shooting 35mm, medium format and 4 x 5 sheet film and learned to appreciate the sharpness difference between the various formats. I have been shooting Canon APSC for years and was never really totally happy with fine detail compared to the larger format films I was used to.

I recently purchased the Sony A7s FF format mirror less camera and am thrilled with the detail I have been able to achieve right out of the camera with no PP sharpening. So far I have not processed any images in photoshop or printed due to other time commitments but the fine detail compared to my other cameras is immediately obvious on the my MAC retina display. The A7s does have a few drawbacks but none of them are a concern for me as I do not shoot sports or fast action. It does have a noisy shutter curtain as outlined in all the reviews but no worse than the Hasselblad that I used to use with film. I have only purchased the Sony/Zeiss 24-70 F4 lens so far but also purchased the Metabones adapter so I can use all my Canon lenses as well.

So, in conclusion, I am extremely happy with the detail from images I have shot so far and also achieved my goal of lightening my load with a camera body about half the weight and 2/3 the size of my SLR's.

Good luck and I hope the above helps.

Regards,
Goober
One of the responses you received here on the foru... (show quote)


Not sure what my experience has anything to do with my reply, which I made clear that to me seemed extremely ignorant. Due to her talking about companies not accepting stock photos that were not sharp enough to me she sounded like a "pro" so her question made no sense. Even if she wasn't a pro looking at her avatar, you would think she knew "the very basics" of photography. If the word mirror-less was replaced with "canon" or "Nikon" would you feel the same?

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