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Oct 22, 2014 13:18:40   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Nice composition. To my eye, it appears to be just a tiny bit forward focused. The boy’s pant leg seems sharper than the face. Have you ever had the lens adjusted?


It's brand new.

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Oct 22, 2014 13:29:41   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
TracyT4i wrote:
It's brand new.


You might want to print out a test chart and check the focus. I do it with all new lenses. You can find instructions all over the net for performing the tests. Basically you shoot the chart at about 45 degrees auto focusing on the center and then load them on your computer and see if the focus is dead on or a little forward or backward.

Here is a link to one approach.
http://www.canonrumors.com/tech-articles/how-to-test-a-lens/

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Oct 22, 2014 13:38:49   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
TracyT4i wrote:
Here is one of the pictures I took with my 100mm f/2.8 L lens.


Tracy,

Your image looks as if the camera has been set to use multiple focusing points within the scene. In your viewfinder you should see several tiny, transparent, squares; these are the available focusing points. If you camera is set for multiple points when focus is achieved the squares should flash red.

Check your camera manual and the focus capture mode and make sure is is set for "Center Spot" focus. You will then be able to place the center square in the central subjects eye and lock focus for the image. Focus lock is made by pressing the shutter button half way down. Full press captures the image and the exposure.

Once you capture an image with your selected focus point you can then study Depth of Field (DOF).

Michael G

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Oct 22, 2014 13:41:07   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
dsmeltz wrote:
You might want to print out a test chart and check the focus. I do it with all new lenses. You can find instructions all over the net for performing the tests. Basically you shoot the chart at about 45 degrees auto focusing on the center and then load them on your computer and see if the focus is dead on or a little forward or backward.

Here is a link to one approach.
http://www.canonrumors.com/tech-articles/how-to-test-a-lens/


Thanks, just did it. My lens is perfect. Thanks.

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Oct 22, 2014 13:42:32   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
Armadillo wrote:
Tracy,

Your image looks as if the camera has been set to use multiple focusing points within the scene. In your viewfinder you should see several tiny, transparent, squares; these are the available focusing points. If you camera is set for multiple points when focus is achieved the squares should flash red.

Check your camera manual and the focus capture mode and make sure is is set for "Center Spot" focus. You will then be able to place the center square in the central subjects eye and lock focus for the image. Focus lock is made by pressing the shutter button half way down. Full press captures the image and the exposure.

Once you capture an image with your selected focus point you can then study Depth of Field (DOF).

Michael G
Tracy, br br Your image looks as if the camera ha... (show quote)


Thanks, I did that one focus square.

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Oct 22, 2014 13:55:25   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
Wow, I thought that was a good picture. I was about 25' back.(I have an APS-C)aperture set at f2.8, iso 800, shutter speed 1/500. (1) center focus point. I think all I would do maybe is pick a smaller aperture. Oh, well. I'm still learning. It's disapointing when you think you got it, to learn you don't. That's why I come here, to this fourm, to learn. Thanks.

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Oct 22, 2014 13:57:26   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
TracyT4i wrote:
Thanks, I did that one focus square.


Okay, Where was the center spot focus square when you activated Focus Lock?
Focus lock should be on the center person' eye in the frame.

Michael G

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Oct 22, 2014 14:45:06   #
Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio
 
Hi, Tracy ! I hope that you are having a great day..

Assuming that digital photography with a DSLR camera is new to you, I will go ahead and ask you if you had your camera's focusing mode set whereas it was focusing upon a small area in the center of its viewfinder ?

If your camera was set to focus upon a small area in the center of its viewfinder, once that you had focused upon, let's say, the lady's face, did you remember to continue holding the shutter release button half way down so that when you had recomposed the overall image and, actually, had tripped the shutter, the original focus point would have remained to be the same ? If you had done this, then, I would have to say that, perhaps, you should have your lens tested for autofocus accuracy by a qualified technician whereby he or she can recalibrate your lens so that it will autofocus to its full ability.

Tracy, also, remaining to assume that you are new to DSLR photography, if you have a chance to reshoot the same scene with the same subjects at hand, you might want to have the boy move his legs and feet inward so that there won't be so much empty space on the right side of the photograph.. Best said, empty space in the scene has nothing to offer.. Anyway, either do that, or you may want to move slightly to the right so that you will get a shot at a different angle.. Doing such will enable you to tightly crop the scene in your camera's viewfinder whereby it will offer better results for your horizontal formatting..

My apology to you if my critiquing your photograph was not wanted, however; if you are new to the art, please know that my intent was to only help you to present your best in the future.. Also, please know that you have shown us a splendid job as is and, personally, I look forward to seeing more photos from you soon. ;-)

My Best Regards for you, Tracy, & keep up the good work !
~ Doug ~

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Oct 22, 2014 15:14:05   #
dnathan
 
NICE JOB! SHOOTING AT 2.8 IS TRICKY. I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN OK IF YOU WER SITTING ON THE GROUND SO THE PLANE OF FOCUS WAS EVEN TOP TO BOTTOM. JUST SAYIN'

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Oct 22, 2014 15:26:28   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
Hi, Tracy ! I hope that you are having a great day..

Assuming that digital photography with a DSLR camera is new to you, I will go ahead and ask you if you had your camera's focusing mode set whereas it was focusing upon a small area in the center of its viewfinder ?

If your camera was set to focus upon a small area in the center of its viewfinder, once that you had focused upon, let's say, the lady's face, did you remember to continue holding the shutter release button half way down so that when you had recomposed the overall image and, actually, had tripped the shutter, the original focus point would have remained to be the same ? If you had done this, then, I would have to say that, perhaps, you should have your lens tested for autofocus accuracy by a qualified technician whereby he or she can recalibrate your lens so that it will autofocus to its full ability.

Tracy, also, remaining to assume that you are new to DSLR photography, if you have a chance to reshoot the same scene with the same subjects at hand, you might want to have the boy move his legs and feet inward so that there won't be so much empty space on the right side of the photograph.. Best said, empty space in the scene has nothing to offer.. Anyway, either do that, or you may want to move slightly to the right so that you will get a shot at a different angle.. Doing such will enable you to tightly crop the scene in your camera's viewfinder whereby it will offer better results for your horizontal formatting..

My apology to you if my critiquing your photograph was not wanted, however; if you are new to the art, please know that my intent was to only help you to present your best in the future.. Also, please know that you have shown us a splendid job as is and, personally, I look forward to seeing more photos from you soon. ;-)

My Best Regards for you, Tracy, & keep up the good work !
~ Doug ~
Hi, Tracy ! I hope that you are having a great da... (show quote)


Thanks, Doug. Actually I positioned them to the left on purpose. I wanted it off center for a different composition. Thank you for your critiquing of my photo, that's exactly what I want and need. I don't think there's anything wrong with my lens, it's all user. I now believe that next time I will use a smaller aperture. I'm not that new to DSLR photography, but will always be learning. Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. I welcome people like you, your great advice is much appreciated.

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Oct 22, 2014 15:29:11   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
dnathan wrote:
NICE JOB! SHOOTING AT 2.8 IS TRICKY. I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN OK IF YOU WER SITTING ON THE GROUND SO THE PLANE OF FOCUS WAS EVEN TOP TO BOTTOM. JUST SAYIN'


Wow! I never even thought to do that. Thanks.

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Oct 22, 2014 21:32:01   #
jcboy3
 
TracyT4i wrote:
Wow, I thought that was a good picture. I was about 25' back.(I have an APS-C)aperture set at f2.8, iso 800, shutter speed 1/500. (1) center focus point. I think all I would do maybe is pick a smaller aperture. Oh, well. I'm still learning. It's disapointing when you think you got it, to learn you don't. That's why I come here, to this fourm, to learn. Thanks.


I would drop the shutter speed and ISO, focus on the boys' eyes and the plane of focus will tilt up to capture the adults faces. Then try a couple of shots with increasing f-number and ISO.

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Oct 22, 2014 21:42:10   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
TracyT4i wrote:
This is the situation: I'm taking a picture of three people sitting in a field of leaves. I want a shallow DOF, but the same time all three people in focus. Can I use a f2.8 aperture and still get all three people in focus? Would using several of my focusing squares help?


The short answer is yes you can. This situation is actually a test of your knowledge of DoF and your usage of it. The easiest and obvious solution would be to line them up shoulder to shoulder and focus, and shoot. And that is what your photograph would look like, 3 people across ...Use your creative talents and try something different, remembering your f/2,8 DoF is actually an arbitrary block of space in which the subject in your lens is in focus. The further from the subjects, the deeper your DoF will be.

This is a great opportunity Tracy, give it your most creative effort and have some fun. GL :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Oct 22, 2014 21:46:13   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Armadillo wrote:
Tracy,

There are way too many variables involved to provide you with a good answer.
Example: Lens focal length, distance between subjects and camera, separation between subjects, and camera make and model.

Check out the link below and try some variables.
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

If all the subjects will be sitting "cheek to cheek" you will not have to worry much about the angle off set from center focus. (If your distance from camera film plain to center subject is 20 feet and the outside subjects are 5 feet apart the angle offset will cause an error in your DOF calculations. The two outer subjects will be slightly farther away from the camera than the center subject).

Using multiple focus points is not a good idea, the camera will try to average all the focus points and provide an out of focus image. If you have three subjects and all are sitting 3 feet apart the camera will focus on the center point, two of the outer subjects, and all of the background. It will become a wild guess on the cameras' part to which focus point is used for image capture.
Your best bet is to use Center Spot Focus and set focus lock on the subject in the center.

Keep in mind that along with DOF you also have HFR (Hyper Focal Range) to help you get all subjects in sharp focus and allow the background to fade into soft focus.

At any Aperture value you will have a set DOF, within that DOF you will have a set number of feet behind the subject in acceptable focus and a set number of feet in front of the subject. A general rule says 1/3 in front, and 2/3 behind the subject.
HFR allows you to set the focus on the central subject (on the eyes) and switch to manual focus and adjust the focus ring to bring the soft focused background to just behind the head of the central subject, it also allows you to keep all of the outer subjects in sharp focus while paying attention to the background for all the subjects.

This is artistic control over the capture and can be used in reverse to adjust the foreground where required.

Michael G
Tracy, br br There are way too many variables inv... (show quote)


Michael, what camera is offering multiple focus points?

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Oct 22, 2014 23:42:08   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
davidrb wrote:
Michael, what camera is offering multiple focus points?


David,

All the Canon EOS models, most of the Nikon models, Olympus, Pentax, Fuji, and any worth while.

Multiple focus points is where the camera has multiple squares in the viewfinder for focusing, and then averaging the focus between all the points.

Michael G

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