phcaan: Well Frank, it doesn't "piss me off" at all. I see a slanted view from someone who wants to see America as a country without borders and a total socialist society where everyone is taken care of by the government.

Nagy: The article did not call for socialism, except in your paranoid mind.

phcaan: I don't believe this can work because such a system rewards people who are non productive and discourages others from becoming productive.

Nagy: And corporate capitalism is working very well? It has produced the worst disparity in the distribution of wealth in the world.

phcaan: I don't agree with his statement that white people abuse drugs on a higher percentage than other races, he quoted no references and no proof of that statement.

Nagy: You misread this, phcaan. There is a reference:

"As the A.C.L.U. has pointed out:

'Despite the fact that whites engage in drug offenses at a higher rate than African-Americans, African-Americans are incarcerated for drug offenses at a rate that is 10 times greater than that of whites.'”
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****** Stupid whites buy the drugs ( smaller quantities) smaller or no sentences

Stupid Blacks and latinos sell them ( when they get caught it's for much larger quantities, Much bigger ).

An Interesting statistic:when they asked a drug dealer why he didn't shoot whites, his answer was
1.) their not dangerous, they are our returning customers, $$
2.) They come to us

when asked why they shoot blacks they said.
1.) they're competition
2.) we steal their supply of drugs
3.) we steal their large amounts of cash
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phcaan: This country is in decline, and our welfare system is creating generations of people who see no need to take care of themselves, after all their needs are met and they can obtain the luxuries the wish by means other than the more traditional method of using funds that are earned and delaying extra purchases until they have the funds to purchase such items.

Nagy: You talk falsely about undocumented statements, but sling your own unsupported ideas all over the place. Educate yourself by reading about the Welfare Reform Act of 1996. You also need to read up on the worst form of welfare that is indeed a serious threat; corporate welfare. You never raise of voice against the $13 trillion handed to the major finance industry that deliberately bankrupted itself while handing everything in the corporate coffers to upper management, then replenished itself through obscene bailouts. Instead, you cry about the relatively small amounts of personal relief we pay out, using it as "proof" that we are doomed. You ignore facts wholesale. The US has the flimsiest social welfare network among industrialized nations, who thereby live better than we do and are not declining, but you forecast that our lesser social welfare system is dooming us. You are, in fact, not capable of a rational thought.
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Drugs are not cheap. There worth millions.
Drug dealers have a very low overhead.
They don't accept credit cards.
Don't have a retail outlet. ( no rent ).
If they have employees there are no benefits.
EPA and OSHA, no regulations for drug trade.
$5,000 to $10,000 per week, no taxes
Contant stream of stupid white customers, no advertising budget.

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phcaan: Our welfare system and our non enforcement of our border policies will, unless changed, will bring us to the point of collapse.

Nagy: Under Obama the illegal immigrant population has declined drastically every year. This is due to his combination of more militarization of the border and record numbers of deportation. You are now telling us that illegal immigration, which is on the decline, will destroy us. Fantastic!
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****Pure unadulterated Bull Crap. Since BO is doing the counting and His followers believe it to be gospel, that's how the falsehood spread. I'll bet if you doubled the #, they would still be understated.
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phacaan: I am not against welfare for those who need it, but I personally have seen many abuses or this program and it needs to be modified to encourage people to strive for self sufficiency rather than simply a better way to work the system.

Nagy: You obviously have not bothered to read about the welfare reform introduced by Clinton in 1996. Welfare is much more difficult to obtain than it used to be, and payments have a shorter duration. Recipients must prove that they are trying to obtain a job. In your twisted calculous, when welfare was easier to obtain, as it was under Reagan and Bush I, it did not bring down the US, but now that it has been made much harder to receive, it will be the downfall of the US.
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BO has removed or lifted most of the restrictions Bill Clinton put in the bill.

It started when HBO said you could use your food stamps for anything: liquor, gambling, strippers , pot, and oh yes food, including lobster, steaks etc.

Under Reagan and Bush a lot more people were unqualified to collect. TODAY there is an explosion.

By the way, Why did you leave out Jimmy Carter and the first 6 years of Clinton ( don't be a democRAT revisionist, makes you look like a liar )

The last 2 years of Clinton you had an all republICAN congress and Newt et al, forced Clinton to balance the budget. And reform welfare.

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A final point; your personal observations are practically worthless, You have clearly demonstrated here and elsewhere that you come to paranoid, and irrational conclusions, and operate with the intellectual double standard that allows you to call undocumented a statement that clearly is documented, while documenting nothing yourself. You merely issue factspeak conclusions from your Chair of Peter.
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******Your lack of the whole picture is staggering.
You tell half truths, which discount your entire statements.
You have been brainwashed and I must say they did a great job.
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phcaan: Now that was impressive, I have never witnessed such a programmed individual before. You have internalized the liberal line so thoroughly I do believe you believe it yourself.

Nagy: I congratulate for resorting to a higher class insult than what I usually absorb from rightists on UHH. Insult though it is, and an unsupportable one at that. I am programmed by no one. I have my own ideas, some too original to be dismissed as a reflection of any off-the-shelf philosophy. For starters, I do not accept the moronic idea that Democrats are liberals and Republicans are conservatives, but we will leave it at that; you will feel better if you can convince yourself that I am a tool of someone else.

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****** democRATs ( not all ) are an insult to the country and their Constituents.
The minute you post your slop, you beg to be insulted. Not every one is blind, and those you did fool are now seeing the light. Your hate and racism has no bounds and as loog as you can keep the minority in the slums, you stay in business.

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phcaan: I don't buy all your liberal logic, yes I know that makes me an uneducated, mis-directed, wrong minded raciest who hates everyone, but despite all your education, and I do admire your intelligence, I simply can't agree with your philosophy no matter how logical you can state it.

Nagy: If you do not bow to logic, you are halfway there to being a perfect heir of those who persecuted Galileo. I think you are 100% there, because you also ignore facts. I stated several for you in response to your own comments, but you have not responded to a single one of them.

phcaan: In your own way you are a bully, looking down on most people who don't agree with your liberal ideas, and using your prodigious writing skill and knowledge to intimate and degrade anyone who disagrees with you.

Nagy: Am I a bully because I pointed out a few facts to you? Just two of them:

1. You stated that the article Frank referenced here did not document a particular point. I quoted from the article itself to prove that it was indeed documented. You are silent about that. It seems that the issue is not my being a bully, but the unethical shortcuts you take in scholarship.

2. You made a general condemnation of Democrats creating a welfare society, which I countered by referring to the 1996 welfare reform law that Clinton signed, making welfare much harder, not easier to obtain.

phcaan: As far as I am concerned, at least with me it doesn't work.
It will take a lot more than some well programmed liberal sitting in his chair looking down at the "little people" to intimidate me.

Nagy: Conversion was not my intention. I only wanted to expose the disingenuousness of your views. The purpose is to prevent you from gaining converts. On the other hand, you bring up a great point. If I could convert you, I would serve my own purpose even better. I am not sure that is attainable, though, not only due to your resistance to both logic and fact, but to my lack of diplomacy.

phacaan: Thanks again for the time you took to compose your little piece and good luck with your mission to convert others to your liberal views.

Nagy: Unfortunately, that mission fails when it loses you, because you are a prolific rightist contributor to UHH. So long as your stentorian voice rings out daily, it drowns mine by volume alone. You are Montressor to my Fortunato.

The bottom line is, no matter how they attempt to justify it, the people who oppose voter ID are either completely swept up in the liberal philosophy to the point that they can not see any thing beyond what they are told by the people they believe in, or they approve and support unauthorized voting. Common sense tells us that no control of any act may lead to unauthorized or illegal partisipation may result. So all the arguments against voter ID no matter how they are presented amount to approval of unauthorized voting. The fact that there are many other way to cheat the voting system does not excuse the incompetency of leaving even one loophole open to fraud.

Well Frank, it doesn't "piss me off" at all. I see a slanted view from someone who wants to see America as a country without borders and a total socialist society where everyone is taken care of by the government.
I don't believe this can work because such a system rewards people who are non productive and discourages others from becoming productive.
This author sees illegal aliens as refugees who need to be taken care of, and maybe some are, but it is simply not practical to take care of everyone who walks across our border the fact that they are breaking our laws when they do so not withstanding.
I don't agree with his statement that white people abuse drugs on a higher percentage than other races, he quoted no references and no proof of that statement.
This country is in decline, and our welfare system is creating generations of people who see no need to take care of themselves, after all their needs are met and they can obtain the luxuries the wish by means other than the more traditional method of using funds that are earned and delaying extra purchases until they have the funds to purchase such items.
Our welfare system and our non enforcement of our border policies will, unless changed, will bring us to the point of collapse.
I am not against welfare for those who need it, but I personally have seen many abuses or this program and it needs to be modified to encourage people to strive for self sufficiency rather than simply a better way to work the system.

I am a female and I do not feel that my right to vote is being threatened, unless you remember the election where "black panthers" were at a voting place with weapons and antagonizing "white" voters & NEVER PROSECUTED by our attorney general. If the circumstances were reversed, the offenders would have been jailed, probably beheaded in the process (not literally) & the main stream media would never have shut up about the injustices. Yeah, this administration is practicing reverse discrimination. Asking a voter to prove who he/she is, is not asking too much. Seems strange to me that any voting district would not want it's voters to be picture identified. You think why that might be?????