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Aug 8, 2014 13:55:49   #
JFaulkner Loc: Oskaloosa, IA
 
phcaan wrote:
I have never understood your assertion that conservatives want to take the vote from anyone. You constantly refer to this and I have never seen an instance of it.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

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Aug 8, 2014 14:06:18   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
JFaulkner wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.

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Aug 8, 2014 14:38:26   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
phcaan wrote:
Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.
Thank you for the article, however this does not c... (show quote)


Your response was exactly correct, as is the conclusion regarding the reason for the Dems demanding that voting be the one exception for proving who you are in a legal transaction.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:00:58   #
RDH
 
phcaan wrote:
I don't understand how someone having to show ID to vote is in any way impeding them from voting. They do have to show ID to get any form of government assistance, they do need ID to drive a car or have a bank account and even get a job.
This argument that ID needed to vote just does not make any sense.
Are you telling me that there are vast numbers of people out there who are qualified to vote, American citizens, who don't drive, work, have a job, live in some kind of structure, or get any sort of government assistance?
I don't understand how someone having to show ID t... (show quote)


There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:12:58   #
OonlyBonly
 
phcaan wrote:
Well Frank, it doesn't "piss me off" at all. I see a slanted view from someone who wants to see America as a country without borders and a total socialist society where everyone is taken care of by the government.
I don't believe this can work because such a system rewards people who are non productive and discourages others from becoming productive.
This author sees illegal aliens as refugees who need to be taken care of, and maybe some are, but it is simply not practical to take care of everyone who walks across our border the fact that they are breaking our laws when they do so not withstanding.
I don't agree with his statement that white people abuse drugs on a higher percentage than other races, he quoted no references and no proof of that statement.
This country is in decline, and our welfare system is creating generations of people who see no need to take care of themselves, after all their needs are met and they can obtain the luxuries the wish by means other than the more traditional method of using funds that are earned and delaying extra purchases until they have the funds to purchase such items.
Our welfare system and our non enforcement of our border policies will, unless changed, will bring us to the point of collapse.
I am not against welfare for those who need it, but I personally have seen many abuses or this program and it needs to be modified to encourage people to strive for self sufficiency rather than simply a better way to work the system.
Well Frank, it doesn't "piss me off" at ... (show quote)


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Aug 8, 2014 15:21:38   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.


That response is really specious. For that situation to exist the same person would also be unable to get to a voting place, which is what the entire premise is about. If any person wants to vote and does not have the proper credentials they simply would call their political party to come and drive them to a place where they would get free ID provided to them. Is that not what "get out the vote" is all about ? The argument that anyone cannot get a valid ID is a farce.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:28:48   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.


None of what you are say is true, especially the part about the South. There is no excuse for anyone to not have a Photo ID. I have personally taken a poor old black lady to the LOCAL DMV to renew her ID (free of charge) since she gave up driving of her own accord. You can bet your sweet behind that come commodity day, everyone has a way to go and everyone has their ID or proof of income or proof of residences. Poor South my ass! You don't know what you talkin' bout boy!

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Aug 8, 2014 15:36:14   #
JFaulkner Loc: Oskaloosa, IA
 
phcaan wrote:
Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.
Thank you for the article, however this does not c... (show quote)


I was not replying to comments regarding ID's. You said you had never seen or heard that in any way have republican/conservatives are trying to take away a persons right to vote. The article lists republican activities in 30+ states that have done just that. Shown the facts, republicans always change the subject. That is their game plan. Let me mention one simple specific example. Maine has removed same day voter registration that had been on the books since 1973. Do you think that will prevent at least one person from voting? OK, now go ahead and change the subject.

:D

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Aug 8, 2014 15:37:04   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.

I think that crutch of an argument is about work out. In reality the number of people who truly can not attain an ID is extremely small. Most people who are impaired, old, or without means are on some kind of government assistance whether it be social security, welfare, medicare, or disability have an ID, and a phone call or call to most any government agency or church will get someone assistance in obtaining an ID. The only reason people oppose required ID for voting is to allow someone who is not qualified to vote.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:37:14   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
Bangee5 wrote:
None of what you are say is true, especially the part about the South. There is no excuse for anyone to not have a Photo ID. I have personally taken a poor old black lady to the LOCAL DMV to renew her ID (free of charge) since she gave up driving of her own accord. You can bet your sweet behind that come commodity day, everyone has a way to go and everyone has their ID or proof of income or proof of residences. Poor South my ass! You don't know what you talkin' bout boy!


my DL expired.... to get a new one, which would allow me to vote, I can't just show them my old one... I need 2 pieces of mail proving my residence, my birth certificate and social security card. I lost my SS card when I jumped in the pool with my wallet when I was 22. I can go down to the office and pay $20 for a printout.... I have been effectively disenfranchised for the primary election. (They won't take my Costco card, which has a very nice photo of me as a terrorist)

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Aug 8, 2014 15:39:55   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Frank T wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/opinion/charles-blow-war-against-whites-i-think-not.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Okay, I admit it, this is really going to piss off some of our right wing posters but it's still worth reading to answer the question Are the Democrats declaring a war on Whites or is it simply the delusions, excuses and deflection of the GOP?


The REAL war is the democRATs waging on blacks.

1.) they take the black vote for granted
2.) The party ditched the Jewish cause, moved on to the
black cause, and now they are dumping them for the
latino cause.
3.) they feel once they have you, they've got you, now let's
go on to the next group
4.) cannot make a decision, every thing he does comes from Valerie.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:41:11   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
sb wrote:
I would like to see the source of this statement (and no, I don't consider Faux-TV a valid "source" of information) . From what I have read, the states that receive more money from the federal government than they put in are mostly southern Republican-controlled states - where most of the loud anti-Democratic yapping comes from.


I thought that you were smarter than this.... so sad to see.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:41:15   #
Bruno2013 Loc: Fort Myers, Florida
 
phcaan wrote:
I think that crutch of an argument is about work out. In reality the number of people who truly can not attain an ID is extremely small. Most people who are impaired, old, or without means are on some kind of government assistance whether it be social security, welfare, medicare, or disability have an ID, and a phone call or call to most any government agency or church will get someone assistance in obtaining an ID. The only reason people oppose required ID for voting is to allow someone who is not qualified to vote.
I think that crutch of an argument is about work o... (show quote)


http://www.salon.com/2014/05/21/92_year_old_texas_woman_denied_photo_id_to_vote_not_to_be_able_to_vote_breaks_my_heart/

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/


http://kittyreporter.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/92-year-old-rosa-nell-eaton-fired-up-and-fed-up-with-nc-voter-id-law/

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Aug 8, 2014 15:41:19   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
JFaulkner wrote:
I was not replying to comments regarding ID's. You said you had never seen or heard that in any way have republican/conservatives are trying to take away a persons right to vote. The article list republican activities in 30+ states that have done just that. Shown the facts republicans always change the subject. That is their game plan. Let me mention one simple specific example. Maine has removed same day voter registration that had been on the books since 1973. Do you think that will prevent at least one person from voting? OK, no go ahead and change the subject.

:D
I was not replying to comments regarding ID's. Yo... (show quote)

No change of subject, I personally think same day voter registration is not a good idea, it allows folks to bus in people give them the correct information and register them to vote, this has a serious effect on local issues especially when the local issue has to do with a corporate policy ie GMO food labeling. There is no appreciable program by anyone to stop people from voting today, in the past this was not so, but those issues have been addressed.

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Aug 8, 2014 15:44:42   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
user47602 wrote:
my DL expired.... to get a new one, which would allow me to vote, I can't just show them my old one... I need 2 pieces of mail proving my residence, my birth certificate and social security card. I lost my SS card when I jumped in the pool with my wallet when I was 22. I can go down to the office and pay $20 for a printout.... I have been effectively disenfranchised for the primary election. (They won't take my Costco card, which has a very nice photo of me as a terrorist)

And you can thank your federal government for that with their Real ID program. The state where I live has refused to participate in that program, and the majority of the voters support this action.

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