phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
JFaulkner wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830
Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.
phcaan wrote:
Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.
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Your response was exactly correct, as is the conclusion regarding the reason for the Dems demanding that voting be the one exception for proving who you are in a legal transaction.
phcaan wrote:
I don't understand how someone having to show ID to vote is in any way impeding them from voting. They do have to show ID to get any form of government assistance, they do need ID to drive a car or have a bank account and even get a job.
This argument that ID needed to vote just does not make any sense.
Are you telling me that there are vast numbers of people out there who are qualified to vote, American citizens, who don't drive, work, have a job, live in some kind of structure, or get any sort of government assistance?
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There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.
That response is really specious. For that situation to exist the same person would also be unable to get to a voting place, which is what the entire premise is about. If any person wants to vote and does not have the proper credentials they simply would call their political party to come and drive them to a place where they would get free ID provided to them. Is that not what "get out the vote" is all about ? The argument that anyone cannot get a valid ID is a farce.
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.
None of what you are say is true, especially the part about the South. There is no excuse for anyone to not have a Photo ID. I have personally taken a poor old black lady to the LOCAL DMV to renew her ID (free of charge) since she gave up driving of her own accord. You can bet your sweet behind that come commodity day, everyone has a way to go and everyone has their ID or proof of income or proof of residences. Poor South my ass! You don't know what you talkin' bout boy!
phcaan wrote:
Thank you for the article, however this does not change the fact that the same ID needed for school, job, government assistance, housing rental is the same ID needed to vote. If you are not a citizen, illegally in this country, not of voting age you are not qualified to vote and it is not unreasonable to ask for ID to prove you are qualified to vote.
This argument has no logic, people rich or poor can not do anything in this country with out ID and the only reason one would protest the requirement for voter ID is to allow unqualified people to vote, or for people to vote in the same election numerous times.
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I was not replying to comments regarding ID's. You said you had never seen or heard that in any way have republican/conservatives are trying to take away a persons right to vote. The article lists republican activities in 30+ states that have done just that. Shown the facts, republicans always change the subject. That is their game plan. Let me mention one simple specific example. Maine has removed same day voter registration that had been on the books since 1973. Do you think that will prevent at least one person from voting? OK, now go ahead and change the subject.
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phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
RDH wrote:
There are significant numbers of people who find that acquiring a voter ID is difficult. Some are disabled, some do not have a vehicle, do not have public transportation and live too far from a government office to walk. There are places in this country, particularly in the South, where the only place they can get an ID is in the county seat which can be miles from where they live.
I think that crutch of an argument is about work out. In reality the number of people who truly can not attain an ID is extremely small. Most people who are impaired, old, or without means are on some kind of government assistance whether it be social security, welfare, medicare, or disability have an ID, and a phone call or call to most any government agency or church will get someone assistance in obtaining an ID. The only reason people oppose required ID for voting is to allow someone who is not qualified to vote.
Bangee5 wrote:
None of what you are say is true, especially the part about the South. There is no excuse for anyone to not have a Photo ID. I have personally taken a poor old black lady to the LOCAL DMV to renew her ID (free of charge) since she gave up driving of her own accord. You can bet your sweet behind that come commodity day, everyone has a way to go and everyone has their ID or proof of income or proof of residences. Poor South my ass! You don't know what you talkin' bout boy!
my DL expired.... to get a new one, which would allow me to vote, I can't just show them my old one... I need 2 pieces of mail proving my residence, my birth certificate and social security card. I lost my SS card when I jumped in the pool with my wallet when I was 22. I can go down to the office and pay $20 for a printout.... I have been effectively disenfranchised for the primary election. (They won't take my Costco card, which has a very nice photo of me as a terrorist)
bvm
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Frank T wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/opinion/charles-blow-war-against-whites-i-think-not.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
Okay, I admit it, this is really going to piss off some of our right wing posters but it's still worth reading to answer the question Are the Democrats declaring a war on Whites or is it simply the delusions, excuses and deflection of the GOP?
The REAL war is the democRATs waging on blacks.
1.) they take the black vote for granted
2.) The party ditched the Jewish cause, moved on to the
black cause, and now they are dumping them for the
latino cause.
3.) they feel once they have you, they've got you, now let's
go on to the next group
4.) cannot make a decision, every thing he does comes from Valerie.
sb wrote:
I would like to see the source of this statement (and no, I don't consider Faux-TV a valid "source" of information) . From what I have read, the states that receive more money from the federal government than they put in are mostly southern Republican-controlled states - where most of the loud anti-Democratic yapping comes from.
I thought that you were smarter than this.... so sad to see.
phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
JFaulkner wrote:
I was not replying to comments regarding ID's. You said you had never seen or heard that in any way have republican/conservatives are trying to take away a persons right to vote. The article list republican activities in 30+ states that have done just that. Shown the facts republicans always change the subject. That is their game plan. Let me mention one simple specific example. Maine has removed same day voter registration that had been on the books since 1973. Do you think that will prevent at least one person from voting? OK, no go ahead and change the subject.
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No change of subject, I personally think same day voter registration is not a good idea, it allows folks to bus in people give them the correct information and register them to vote, this has a serious effect on local issues especially when the local issue has to do with a corporate policy ie GMO food labeling. There is no appreciable program by anyone to stop people from voting today, in the past this was not so, but those issues have been addressed.
phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
user47602 wrote:
my DL expired.... to get a new one, which would allow me to vote, I can't just show them my old one... I need 2 pieces of mail proving my residence, my birth certificate and social security card. I lost my SS card when I jumped in the pool with my wallet when I was 22. I can go down to the office and pay $20 for a printout.... I have been effectively disenfranchised for the primary election. (They won't take my Costco card, which has a very nice photo of me as a terrorist)
And you can thank your federal government for that with their Real ID program. The state where I live has refused to participate in that program, and the majority of the voters support this action.
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