Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Go back and watch it again but for the specific purpose of understanding what he said about FDR's efforts prior to the war build up... you will see that I am right.

marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA

Well, I'm happy for you. Not sure why you feel the need to defend him, he seems perfectly capable of doing that himself, ad nauseam. I seriously doubt that if I met him I would find him to be a thoughtful and considerate person. He has not shown one ounce of thoughtfulness or consideration to anyone except those who agree with him 100%.

marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA

Well, aren't you always!

pjferrante Loc: California and Missouri

You are being much to logical. The wingnuts won't understand, so they will just attack you. ;-)

marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA

Seriously?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Well Mr. Clear I can see that you have to get your two cents in, this is something that goes between Bazbo, a man who is thoughtful and very capable to speak for himself in a debate, and I that has spanned across a different thread. Now I can excuse you for not understanding the context of my post but I would ascribe to you all that you falsely ascribe to me and more. Bazbo, I have a lot of respect for even though like me he can bloviate as he posts one of his blogs here, and even though I may vehemently disagree with him at times I know that he is well informed and thoughtful, you have yet to show us that you are either.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

The funny thing about Liberals who've actually been around long enough to have known 3-4 Presidents is that they seem to approach politics with naive viewpoint and an intolerant mind for the views of others.

I know of few Conservatives who think Bush did a good job of holding down spending or the size of government ---- I doubt you do, either.

As for your piecemeal anecdotes, well, war isn't paid for before you step I to it. If it was it would be ore-meditated and never pass muster. As a fiscal conservative, and trained well in matters of Econ & money, the Bush tax cuts were needed, and fine. You cherry-pick them as budget issues, and il will cherry-pick entitlement programs. Boom! We will never agree on this, so why try, eh?

But, my friend, your comment on a $5.6 trillion surplus goes beyond rumor, beyond being sadly lacking in truth or fact, and falls I to the arena of just plain, fanciful lying.

NEWSFLASH! The surplus was $127 billion (that's with a "B") for 2001, which means 7 of the months included Bush.

Please, at least attempt to be somewhat close to at least fictionary facts.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Yep! Nothing wrong with occasionally being reminded to be civil, and acting like the person you are posting to is standing in front of you, and has family, kids, ideals, aspirations, etc.

With the internet, we all fall into the trap at times of being more severe than we would face to face.

fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX

You're right, of course. There's a new movie out on Bush, called "The prosecution of an American President." Worth watching. Makes you want to line Bush and Cheney up against a wall and shoot them. A lot of people, especially those on the Right, forget that when Obama first took office, there was a big outcry to investigate Bush's actions as to why he invaded Iraq, and the truth about WMDs. I think Obama's popularity began to subside when he refused to do anything. The attorney who was going after Bush was the same guy who convicted Charles Manson.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Let me just say that even though Blurry and I agree on almost nothing, we have had a long and respectful exchange accross many months and many threads. Just wanted to say thanks and that I appreciate the exchanges.

fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX

see, you were right, pjferrante.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Yeah, man! Like, wow! I mean, Bush was the only guy on earth who talked about WMDs in Iraq, man! I mean, like, duuuuude, Clinton (both of them, man), and 27 industrial countries and their intelligence services,like, none of them count, man, 'cause we know it was only Bush!

(Hopefully I effected the proper crazed tone)

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Yeah, fb, he's right.......I don't understand blatant lying just to support your sad dogma.

If the data and truth can't support your beliefs, it ain't much of a belief system!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Me too, the feeling is mutual. Thanks. And thank you as well Donna.

fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX

That's fine. You can believe whatever FOX tells you. Most credible sources say otherwise.