dljen Loc: Central PA

Geez...

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Really, I would ask what the point of the OP really was other than to point to himself and other liberals only to say "Look over here and see how much better we are than you are. See our ideas are so much better than yours and you should just get out of our way and let us take over our at least change your ways and help us build our version of America."

But when you look around what do you see? Government that already spends over 40 cents of every dollar that is spent within our economy yet that is not enough for these liberals they want more... They constantly are crying for higher taxes and more governmental programs, were they to have their way that spending would be closer to 50 cents on every dollar. But even so that would not be enough because they would next be calling for nationalized Healthcare which would shift another 20 cents of each dollar to the government leaving the private economy with only 30 cents or so.... yet they somehow expect us to maintain ours as the leading economy in the world while leaving only 30 cents of each dollar in the hands of the private sector.... No... I see no future in progressivism... it is a failed concept and a failed dream, it is amazing to me that countries like China, and India are embracing capitalism while American turns her back on it, it is not as if it did not serve us well.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

You do make an excellent point.

pjferrante Loc: California and Missouri

...Good to hear from someone with clear vision and clear memory. ...Can't wait to hear Blurry's response.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

My exact reaction when I read his catch-all swill about conservatives. Funny how that happens!

ceallachain Loc: Cape May, NJ

Blurryeyed, Go through my list again, and then, disprove any point I made that your earlier statements were in fact half-truths. Half-truths that you believe. Mine are actual facts taken from Newspapers, History Books, First Person discussions and anything after, 1950, I was 10then, I was in many way an eyewitness to. With respect to NASA I worked there in the 60s. My discussion did not in any way say that a conservative did not contribute. It only pointed out that you diatribe was full of half-truths that lead the gullible to believe them to be the "Truth" when in fact they are not. Prove me wrong!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

So lets go through your post, and remember mine was in response to another post so we may find that you are a little off base even if what you said was true.

What I said about Ike, conservatives have no problems investing in our country, what we do have a problem with is a broken system that spends trillions with poor results and the left instead of working to fix the system they simply call for more taxes and more spending to fix a broken system... Ike was a republican president and he did authorize the interstate highway spending and he also created NASA there is no half truth about that. The fact that you state that Ike was I guess not conservative enough to be considered a conservative is baseless. Conservatives will spend money and raise taxes if it advances the country. I as a conservative have no problem with the GI bill even though I am unsure why you bought it into the discussion as it was FDR who was responsible for the bill.

As a conservative I don't claim Kennedy who did challenge us to go to the moon, just reminding liberals that it was not Kennedy who had the foresight to start NASA, it was Ike. According to the premise of this article maybe I should claim Kennedy because if you read some of his speeches it is very clear that he was fiscally conservative, much more so than George W Bush. You allude to him spending billions in the blink of an eye... things were different back then and the country's budgets were in much better shape, Kennedy was able to reduce taxes while spending all those billions you elude to and still lower our debt.

WWII. You state "Again you’re half right. It wasn’t just the war itself that got us out of the depression. It was more the aftermath. The Marshal Plan saving Eastern Europe (Greece, Turkey.) The GI Bill providing for the education and home for veterans and their families. Again nothing conservative about the billions spent in either of those ventures."

My response was to a liberal claiming that FDR pulled us out of the Great Depression, he did no such thing, it was the build up and the aftermath of the war that turned the US economy around and allowed us to become a superpower, you correctly point to the Marshall plan as we rebuilt Europe and Japan, I was born in Japan because my father was a West Point/Purdue Engineer serving out the time he owed the military for his education.

You call me gullible yet it is people like you who want to claim the progressivism of the civil rights era yet you fail to recognize that the strongest opposition came from your very own party, I guess that the party platforms that appealed to these southern democrats were conservative as well? They were liberal racists, you can't simply separate your party from them, they voted democrat because they were liberals, they were racists because they were racists, Johnson had stronger support from the republican party than he had from the democrats, the final vote does not tell the story, because as amendments were made and the dems saw the writing on the wall they better supported the bill, in the end the republicans voted for it with a larger percentage of their makeup than did the dems....

So, you tell me where I am telling my half truths as you call them, yours are no better than are mine.

marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA

Talking to Mr. Blurry is a waste of time for a reasonable person. Anyone who has spent as much time as he has on these conversations obviously needs to get a life. I have not found anything he says to be either truthful or enlightened. He is stuck in some sort of time warp where he thinks what he says is informed. I suspect he is a very unhappy person and we should all probably feel sorry for him rather than try to engage him in any kind of reasonable dialogue. I have to admit I have given in to my baser instincts and responded to his foolishness too many times. He is infuriating to say the least and completely ignorant about anything outside his own realm of self absorbtion.

I really like what you had to say. Us "nutcase" liberals are so unreasonable, don't you think? ;-)

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Ever notice that I do not send you a snide comment when you pare on one of your name calling and insult binges? Just curious.

dljen Loc: Central PA

I'm about as liberal as they come, but must disagree. I don't think Blurry needs to get a life, I think he has a good one, nor is he unhappy, he's a good guy. I disagree with him politically but think he's basically a well-informed, happy man. I imagine if you met him, you'd think he was a thoughtful, considerate person. There's a big difference between subjects you disagree on and the person him/her self. Not everything in life is politics. jmho

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Not according to Kevin Phillips, Nixons architect of the strategy.

There is revisionists spin, and then there is the straight dope straight from the horses mouth.
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On other threads you hav argued that the South's shift to the Republican party was not about race but about economics.

If that is the case, the the Republicans have done a piss poor job in that the deep south lags the blue states in almost every economic indicator you can think of. I will make an expiation to that statement for Texas. But Texas is the exception.

pjferrante Loc: California and Missouri

AMEN to that! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX

The funny thing about Conservatives who've actually been around long enough to have known 3-4 Presidents is that they seems to approach politics with blinders on. Truth be told, there's little, if anything, conservatives are angry with the Democrats about that their own party hasn't done itself in the past. Bush is brought up a lot in these conversations because he's no less guilty of many of the same things that the Right accuses Obama of. Did we hear the Right scream about his wars that weren't paid for; the tax breaks for the rich that weren't paid for, all the executive orders he signed (more than Obama), the corporate deregulations, the hearings and inquiries that were never held in response to the 50+ people who died at embassies on his watch, the $5.6 trillion surplus he wiped out in two years? Remember when Right-wingers screamed about all that? No? That's because they didn't. But now that the other guy's in the White House...

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Your link to Krugman was out of context, and I think you know it. He said none of the things that you attributed to him via that link.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Nice add, Donna.