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My SB600 speed flash might not have been right for me!
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Feb 17, 2012 08:45:54   #
vasmikey Loc: Bloomington, MN
 
I thought you could turn that sync feature off on the D60?

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Feb 17, 2012 08:46:52   #
BuckeyeTom73 Loc: Chicago area
 
I have not used it too often, but my Canon 40D and SpeedLite 580EX have a high speed sync mode that can do at least 1/1000. Something about the flash uses multiple firing to make sure the shutter curtains don't show up.

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Feb 17, 2012 08:50:36   #
Patw28 Loc: PORT JERVIS, NY
 
Sirpixxalot wrote:
I don't know much about D60, but most of the Nikon Cameras have speedlight setting from 1/200 -1/320, I have D40, D90, D300 & D700 they all have the same settings. Matter of fact as soon as you mount the flash on the camera shutter speed is locked to the highest setting defined in camera. SB600 is a great speedlight, I have SB600 x 2, SB700 and SB900 they all work on same algorithm. I guess you need to play with it and learn how to get best out it. BTW all strobe lights will sync at max 1/250 also, so really there is no choice.
I don't know much about D60, but most of the Nikon... (show quote)


I believe the cameras may set the sync at 1/250 but doubt they lock there. We want to be able to vary the sync to vary the ambient (background) exposure.

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Feb 17, 2012 09:18:37   #
wpbJoe Loc: West Palm Beach, Fl
 
wow..a lot of chit chat...but my only question is...

exactly what are you wanting to do with your Nikon D60 and your new flash, and why are you disappointed with buying it?

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Feb 17, 2012 09:38:40   #
Dontrain Loc: Chicago suburb
 
From pg 101 of the D40 manual: "The shutter speed will synchronize with an external flash at speeds of 1/500s or slower"

Not too shabby specs for an entry level camera and I suspect for higher level Ns as well.

Also Have an SB600 with coiled remote cord and have had good results with both.

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Feb 17, 2012 09:41:08   #
djb663 Loc: Massachusetts
 
or, you could buy a couple pocket wizards and sync very fast. A flex and a mini would run you roughly $400. But, like most others are saying, chances are that a little more experience and education/experimentation will help you decide what you need/want to do.

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Feb 17, 2012 09:41:41   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
achammar wrote:
Ok, I wanted a nice speed flash to mount to my camera. I heard that the SB600 was a nice mid to upper quality nice all around flash that did a good job. So I bought one...that was before I had even heard of sync speed. It took me forever to figure out why sometimes my camera (Nikon D60) would go up to faster than 1/2500 of a second, and other times the fastest it would go was 1/200. I finally figured out that when the flash was on the 1/200 was as fast as the shutter speed would go...and I now know that's because of the sync speed of the sb600. So I think I made a mistake because I need faster speeds than that with a flash.
I don't know that much about sync speed yet, but I'm learning fast.
My question is...can I get a good speed flash that is better than the SB600 that will allow me at least 1/400 (faster would be better) of second shutter speed, or is 1/200 pretty good for an add on flash?
Anyone know?
Thanks!
Ok, I wanted a nice speed flash to mount to my cam... (show quote)


well it could be a long wait. 250 has been the top speed on cameras for a long time (before it was 60) I believe the issue is the lens - the shutter blades in the lens - some sort of physical issue? If memory serves the older leaf shutters for medium and large format could synch faster?

In any case for the forseeable future 250 is it so learn to live with it.

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Feb 17, 2012 09:51:34   #
Sirpixxalot Loc: NNJ
 
Here is good video that explain how shutter sync work, I hope this clears the fog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnn5nzPvoIM

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Feb 17, 2012 10:24:47   #
wpbJoe Loc: West Palm Beach, Fl
 
great suggestion.....that site could eliminate this forum ???

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Feb 17, 2012 11:16:28   #
achammar Loc: Idaho
 
Everyone:
Ok, so I didn't get the wrong flash for me. The SB600 is a great flash. I've loved it ever since I got it. I do know quite a bit about how to use it..bouncing it, using the diffuser, zoom, and all that...(not saying I couldn't be better though but time and practice will get me there along with all you helpful forum hedgehogs..).
I just wanted to be able to eliminate any camera shake a little more, and sometimes stop motion up close, and 1/200 won't quite do that. Don't get me wrong..I can still get great images almost all the time, but I just wish I could go faster than 1/200 at times. I'm not disappointed in the flash, it works excellent, I just didn't understand sync speed. Now I know a lot more than I did thanks to all of you!
:-)

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Feb 17, 2012 11:19:43   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
CaptainC wrote:
ShakyShutter wrote:
The sync speed has to do with the highest shutter speed at which the mechanical shutter is wide open so the light from the flash can hit the entire sensor at one time.

BTW, the SB600 has a flash duration of up to 1/25,000 of a second in case you need action stopping power.


That is not the question. It is how high can the shutter speed go and still have a flash exposure.
I noticed that different cameras have different sync speeds. Mine only goes up to 160 on camera. Is this a disadvantage vs. one that goes up to 250? Does this mean that at 250, I can simply capture movement better?

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Feb 17, 2012 11:21:31   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
djb663 wrote:
or, you could buy a couple pocket wizards and sync very fast. A flex and a mini would run you roughly $400. But, like most others are saying, chances are that a little more experience and education/experimentation will help you decide what you need/want to do.


But ONLY if the camera supports High-Speed Sync. The FlexTT5 just replicates what the camera can do - It is not a function of the PW.

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Feb 17, 2012 11:24:52   #
AlanK Loc: No. Califorina
 
Quote:
well it could be a long wait. 250 has been the top speed on cameras for a long time (before it was 60) I believe the issue is the lens - the shutter blades in the lens - some sort of physical issue? If memory serves the older leaf shutters for medium and large format could synch faster?

In any case for the forseeable future 250 is it so learn to live with it.


When I shot medium format with Hasselblad the flash sync speed was 1/500 and that was completely controlled by the leaf shutter's in the lenses Hass uses.

I now shot with a D3 and D3x and both camera's have "high speed sync" up to 1/8000 second!! The "standard" speed is 1/250 and if I'm in any "auto" program like AP or SP (shutter priority) or Program, the camera will switch to 1/250 second flash-shutter sync speed.

If I want a higher shutter speed I have to switch to Manual exposure, set whatever shutter speed I'd like, THEN attach the flash to the camera body and turn it (the flash) on. If I'd picked any shutter speed higher than 1/250 it will be available to shot in Manual mode ... all the way to 1/8000 of a second. BTW, I use a SB-800, SB-900 Nikon flashes and a large Quantum flash/battery pack.

I would recommend reading Joe McNally's book's on flash photography. He's a MASTER at flash of all types and easy to read.

Alan

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Feb 17, 2012 11:36:40   #
achammar Loc: Idaho
 
Sirpixxalot wrote:
Here is good video that explain how shutter sync work, I hope this clears the fog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnn5nzPvoIM


That was an excellent video. According to that, you need the slower shutter speeds to get the background to light up if it's not very lit to begin with which makes perfect sense, and the curtains...excellent example of how it all works. My subjects are usually moving though (although not fast). The point is to be able to capture a moment while they are moving, and still enlarge the print to be perfectly clear with no blur at a large size...that's why I wanted the faster shutter speed, but I see now that there would be disadvantages to that that might be worse than the fast shutter speed...
Thanks for that video..

:-)

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Feb 17, 2012 11:40:13   #
Sirpixxalot Loc: NNJ
 
achammar wrote:
Sirpixxalot wrote:
Here is good video that explain how shutter sync work, I hope this clears the fog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnn5nzPvoIM


That was an excellent video. According to that, you need the slower shutter speeds to get the background to light up if it's not very lit to begin with which makes perfect sense, and the curtains...excellent example of how it all works. My subjects are usually moving though (although not fast). The point is to be able to capture a moment while they are moving, and still enlarge the print to be perfectly clear with no blur at a large size...that's why I wanted the faster shutter speed, but I see now that there would be disadvantages to that that might be worse than the fast shutter speed...
Thanks for that video..

:-)
quote=Sirpixxalot Here is good video that explain... (show quote)


You are most welcome, I am glad that I was able to help. :)

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