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Jul 3, 2014 15:05:24   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Too Cool!! I'm going over the divide next Tuesday for lunch there, and I'll be open carrying my Browning 9mm. I'll have my picture taken with one of those very intelligent and lovely waitresses and post it on my return!


Will be looking forward to seeing your pic's. Post in Chit Chat for sure... :thumbup:

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Jul 3, 2014 15:16:30   #
smith934 Loc: Huntsville, Alabama
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
A retailer "respectfully requests" that customers not bring firearms into the store and that gets this kind of reaction?

On the farm a while back a guy came into the farm market openly carrying a pistol. He was respectfully requested to take the firearm out of the market. Of course. Everyone on the farm is a gun owner, so this obviously has nothing to do with "gun grabbers" or any "liberal agenda."

Mike
Agreed. It was a polite request aimed at those who insist on open carry of a long arm just prove a point. I'm a very long time gun owner, concealed carry permit holder, competitive shooter (both pistols and long arms), and it's just my opinion that to do some things just because one can is stupid. Open carrying a long arm is one of those things as it alienates more folks that it brings over to your side.

As for Target refusing to protect your data, that is a bare faced lie. They did fail to, but it wasn't a conscious act. They have never refused to.

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Jul 3, 2014 15:28:14   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
Bazbo wrote:
You think the gun brandishing nitwits are protecting themselves? In Target? They are making a political point and God knows why they choose Target, or Taco Bell or whatever.

Let me ask you this--If someone is shopping at Target and one of these guys walks in carrying a rifle, how does anyone know that they are not about to open fire and be the next perp of a mass shooting spree, and not merely just "protecting" themselves? In he hand lotion aisle? Tell me how someone knows the difference? Do they carry sign saying "Good Guy"? One can only tell the difference between Adam Lanza the good guy just protecting himself from Adam Lanza the psycho is when the killing starts.

There is a reason police wear uniforms. We have a right to believe that armed police officers are not about to open fire on innocent people. What similar assurance that the next fat guy with a cameo hat and assault rifle do we have?
You think the gun brandishing nitwits are protecti... (show quote)


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Quote: "Let me ask you this--If someone is shopping at Target and one of these guys walks in carrying a rifle, how does anyone know that they are not about to open fire and be the next perp of a mass shooting spree, and not merely just "protecting" themselves?"

To answer your question, all of the pictures show that the guns are across the back and in an upcoming pre-planned running gun battle, the gun is in a very bad location for immediate use. Also looking closely, none have magazines in them. Some of the pictures are woman with children. How many of the horrible events have happened because the people couldn't afford daycare while, they went about their business of shooting people brought their children to the event? AAAAH NONE!

Quote: "One can only tell the difference between Adam Lanza the good guy just protecting himself from Adam Lanza the psycho is when the killing starts."
Fact is most of all the crazies that have done these things have been known to be very mentally unstable long before the event. It was their right to roam the streets over the safety of the masses. Thank liberalism and the ACLU! After all in the 70's that is when they were turned loose upon society, because the states were ordered too stop putting them behind brick and mortar, and only after they do something, can they be placed behind brick and mortar to keep them from harming society. And it is in the hands of judges not psych people to determine when they are placed behind solid walls.

Quote" We have a right to believe that armed police officers are not about to open fire on innocent people. "
For the most part this is true. But I do believe you have no recollection of any events where police have killed innocent people because of getting their wallet, defending their home when the police were raiding the wrong address, etc. There are many cases, of course the officers were found not liable because they feared for their lives. From a wallet??? And why do they tell you, when pulled over put your hands on the steering wheel so the officers fells safer - that is so he won't shoot your innocent ass for something he fears!

Quote: "What similar assurance that the next fat guy with a cameo hat and assault rifle do we have?[/quote]"

Since you are a gun connoisseur, I would like you to prove you know what a assault rife is? After all, in all the pictures presented, they are NOT assault rifles but semi-automatic rifles. You need a very expensive license to own an assault rifle. I'm not saying it can't happen, but for the most part, people shopping WalMart and Target are not in the high end consumer bracket, especially when having their children tag along on the shopping spree, to be able to throw away money on this expensive license. Especially while living with the high cost of rearing a child. So how did you come up with assault rifle?

And what do you have against fat people in cameo hats? By the way, what is a cameo hat?????

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Jul 3, 2014 15:32:58   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Bazbo wrote:
You think the gun brandishing nitwits are protecting themselves? In Target? They are making a political point and God knows why they choose Target, or Taco Bell or whatever.

Let me ask you this--If someone is shopping at Target and one of these guys walks in carrying a rifle, how does anyone know that they are not about to open fire and be the next perp of a mass shooting spree, and not merely just "protecting" themselves? In he hand lotion aisle? Tell me how someone knows the difference? Do they carry sign saying "Good Guy"? One can only tell the difference between Adam Lanza the good guy just protecting himself from Adam Lanza the psycho is when the killing starts.

There is a reason police wear uniforms. We have a right to believe that armed police officers are not about to open fire on innocent people. What similar assurance that the next fat guy with a cameo hat and assault rifle do we have?
You think the gun brandishing nitwits are protecti... (show quote)


There is no common sense when it comes to gun nuts. I am sure that they carry their guns into the bathroom when they have to sit on a toilet. There is no reasoning with these people.Simply put, if I go into any place of business and there is someone carrying a gun, I am out of there.

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Jul 3, 2014 15:36:56   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
Budnjax wrote:
not only will they not protect your credit card information....now they don't want you to be able to protect yourself in their stores...

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/target_bans_guns_in_stores_says_firearms_arent_family-friendly.html


Hard to imagine anything more painful in my life then being forbidden to walk around a family retail store with my rifle which will have to quietly sit in my car.

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Jul 3, 2014 15:51:10   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
viscountdriver wrote:
I'm offering no opinion whatsoever on US gun laws, it's not my business but I did have a chuckle when I saw that picture and wondered what would happen if a couple of girls arrived like that in one of our big stores. In about five minutes armed police would arrive and the ladies would be explaining to a judge who would be deciding how long to jail them for.
As I say I'm not offering an opinion so don't shout at me.


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Could you please explain why this is not an opinion?
Quote:" I saw that picture and wondered what would happen if a couple of girls arrived like that in one of our big stores. In about five minutes armed police would arrive and the ladies would be explaining to a judge who would be deciding how long to jail them for."
An opinion is something personal but here is a definition .
"o·pin·ion /&#601;&#712;piny&#601;n/ noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"
synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint; More
sentiment, conception, conviction
"she did not share her husband's opinion"
•as I see it, to my mind, (according) to my way of thinking, personally, in my estimation, if you ask me, for my money, in my book
"in my opinion, the green tiles clash with the yellow walls"
•the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.
"the changing climate of opinion"
•an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something"

You are stating "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." The fact is: we are not in your situation, nor the reverse. So why are you interjecting, ("a view or judgment") then claiming it is not an opinion.

Your laws are different, your social amenities are different, and your judicial system is different. So how do you perceive this as anything else, other than an opinion. After all, "if a couple of girls arrived like that" it would never happen there, because it is illegal. Therefore the "IF" is an opinion.
Your feet can be held to the fire for it.

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Jul 3, 2014 15:56:50   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Ka2azman wrote:
Could you please explain why this is not an opinion?
The person said they were not offering an opinion on US gun laws.

Mike

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Jul 3, 2014 16:11:02   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
silver wrote:
There is no common sense when it comes to gun nuts. I am sure that they carry their guns into the bathroom when they have to sit on a toilet. There is no reasoning with these people.Simply put, if I go into any place of business and there is someone carrying a gun, I am out of there.


Hey idiot! How about this, there is no common sense when it comes to nuts, period. Oh, I see, that would hit to close to home! And there you go, rainbow Californian thinking about the toilet booths again! Geez man, or what ever your are, get over it!
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Jul 3, 2014 16:15:35   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
I thought BBQ brushes and swords were banned at Walmart!
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/fayette-co-man-arrested-after-sword-attack/

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Jul 3, 2014 16:16:47   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Ka2azman wrote:
"

Since you are a gun connoisseur, I would like you to prove you know what a assault rife is? After all, in all the pictures presented, they are NOT assault rifles but semi-automatic rifles. You need a very expensive license to own an assault rifle. I'm not saying it can't happen, but for the most part, people shopping WalMart and Target are not in the high end consumer bracket, especially when having their children tag along on the shopping spree, to be able to throw away money on this expensive license. Especially while living with the high cost of rearing a child. So how did you come up with assault rifle?

And what do you have against fat people in cameo hats? By the way, what is a cameo hat?????
" br br Since you are a gun connoisseur, I w... (show quote)


You miss the whole point, probably intentionally, since you seem more intent on picking a cheap fight than having a reasonable discussion. Typical with extremists and ideologies I suppose.

First of all, do not presume I know nothing about guns, having been a gun owner for many years--and yes a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, if interpreted and socialized in a sensible way. So don't patronize me.

Now to the main point, since you obviously missed it. My OP was about the impression this leaves on the general public and the fact that they too have rights. Mainly not to be scared to death when one of these nitwits comes walking down the laundry detergent aisle packing.

Speaking for the National Association of Everyone Else, do you think that the average soccer mom knows the difference between a rifle with an attached mag and one without? BTW, do you know how many idiots kill each other with "unloaded" guns? Any idea how THAT happens? I suspect you do. If you don't then you need some training.

But more to the point: What about the soccer mom's rights to go shopping without fear for her life and her children;s lives? Those nitwits parading around have rights that trump hers? I think not. Open carry long arms do not belong in the presence of children. Only the gun nuts and extremists see that question differently.

You can go ahead and split hairs on the difference between an assault rifle and a semi auto rifle if that makes you feel smarter. Again, i am speaking for the the people who do not know the difference and do not care about the difference.

OK--you caught a typo snark meister. Feel smart now? You have a pretty low standard for feeling good about yourself.

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Jul 3, 2014 16:20:04   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
lenben wrote:
Hard to imagine anything more painful in my life then being forbidden to walk around a family retail store with my rifle which will have to quietly sit in my car.


I believe if you have a rifle like I do , you will prefer to carry a handgun concealed instead of this big thing No ? And even if I can do it I will not walk with a rifle or AR15 in a public place , don't need to .... We have to use common senses

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Jul 3, 2014 16:33:37   #
bleary Loc: MA
 
Yeah. I figured someone would pull out one of those "one in a million" incidents. By that line of reasoning we should never drive because sometimes people get into accidents or fly because planes crash. Actually getting into a serious auto accident is thousands of times more probable than ever running into an armed gunman. What are you doing to protect yourself from an auto accident while you drive to Target with your AK15? You should read a book called Innumeracy by a mathematitican named Paulus. He points out in specific detail that people are most afraid of things that are highly unlikely to happen and pay little attention to threats are are likely to happen. One reason is that the media pay lots of attention to unusual events like a shooter or a crashed plane and little time on things that happen every day, like car accidents. You're right that I don't know you. I think that ALL people who think they need to bring a gun to a department store are either show offs, paranoid, or just don't understand basic probability.

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Jul 3, 2014 16:56:00   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
Bazbo wrote:
You miss the whole point, probably intentionally, since you seem more intent on picking a cheap fight than having a reasonable discussion. Typical with extremists and ideologies I suppose.

First of all, do not presume I know nothing about guns, having been a gun owner for many years--and yes a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, if interpreted and socialized in a sensible way. So don't patronize me.

Now to the main point, since you obviously missed it. My OP was about the impression this leaves on the general public and the fact that they too have rights. Mainly not to be scared to death when one of these nitwits comes walking down the laundry detergent aisle packing.

Speaking for the National Association of Everyone Else, do you think that the average soccer mom knows the difference between a rifle with an attached mag and one without? BTW, do you know how many idiots kill each other with "unloaded" guns? Any idea how THAT happens? I suspect you do. If you don't then you need some training.

But more to the point: What about the soccer mom's rights to go shopping without fear for her life and her children;s lives? Those nitwits parading around have rights that trump hers? I think not. Open carry long arms do not belong in the presence of children. Only the gun nuts and extremists see that question differently.

You can go ahead and split hairs on the difference between an assault rifle and a semi auto rifle if that makes you feel smarter. Again, i am speaking for the the people who do not know the difference and do not care about the difference.

OK--you caught a typo snark meister. Feel smart now? You have a pretty low standard for feeling good about yourself.
You miss the whole point, probably intentionally, ... (show quote)



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Jul 3, 2014 17:10:14   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Cartoons don't kill people. People kill people.

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Jul 3, 2014 17:14:25   #
BasqueLady Loc: Woodburn OR
 
Are you for real thinking taking a semi auto rifle into a store with children and adults is a good idea. I not against guns but I against any idiot when thinks packing a gun openly in public is a good idea. Before you jump down my throat I have a CC license and was a Deputy Sheriff in the past. I also owned a cattle ranch in Montana. Hunting season was the worst time of the year because of the city hunters shoot up our property and cattle. Now look out Target your next. You are responsible for every bullet that come out of your barrel the ones that missed bad guy and hit a child or bystander even the ricochet. Some people don't have enough sense to pour yellow rain out of their boots and they want to pack gun into Target.

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