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Another View of Hobby Lobby
Jul 3, 2014 08:43:22 #
DEBJENROB wrote:
Many of the large companies in China are government controlled and/or regulated .. ....
And apparently, since Obamacare, so are large companies here.
Jul 3, 2014 08:47:10 #
TimS
Loc: GA
DEBJENROB wrote:
Many of the large companies in China are government controlled and/or regulated .. ....
Virtually ALL of the companies in the USA are government controlled and/or regulated. What's your point?
Jul 3, 2014 08:49:29 #
dennis2146 wrote:
Sorry but what am I missing here. Aren't pro abor... (show quote)
I do not think many people are pro-abortion ...... they are pro-choice .... there is a big difference .... the HL issue became one of abortion ... only if you believe that conception occurs with the thought of intercourse .... how can there be an abortion if there is no fertilization .... the HL owners seem to believe that intercourse is only for procreation .... and if a women takes a birth control pill ... oh, oh .... abortion ... is masturbation an act of manslaughter ... or attempted murder ...
Jul 3, 2014 08:53:10 #
SteveR wrote:
It doesn't really matter. What's right is right. The liberal justices were overly concerned about precedent rather than what was right.
So what if four methods of b.c. aren't paid for? That doesn't mean they aren't available for purchase.
So what if four methods of b.c. aren't paid for? That doesn't mean they aren't available for purchase.
Steve I agree with everything you say, except you call the four pills (b.c.); Birth Control. They are not birth control as they create an abortion by taking them after the fact. This is what is NOT being brought forward by the liberals and the liberal newsprint either. They, liberals and news need to get their facts straight!
Thanks for your post though!
Jul 3, 2014 08:53:49 #
TimS
Loc: GA
DEBJENROB wrote:
I do not think many people are pro-abortion ......... (show quote)
More lies. Hobby lobby has no problem with birth control. Just abortiom inducing drugs.
Jul 3, 2014 08:55:14 #
It has NOTHING to do with what products they sell, or where any of their products are made. It could just as easily be a company selling nothing but Made in USA.
Jul 3, 2014 08:57:11 #
TimS wrote:
Virtually ALL of the companies in the USA are government controlled and/or regulated. What's your point?
In the US companies are regulated not controlled .....there is a difference ...... you may not see it .... but most of us do ....
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Jul 3, 2014 08:57:51 #
TimS
Loc: GA
Michael Hartley wrote:
It has NOTHING to do with what products they sell, or where any of their products are made. It could just as easily be a company selling nothing but Made in USA.
Correct. This "HL buys stuff from China" BS is just as stupid as saying that I support communism just because I may happen to buy things made in China from time to time. Or that I support chop sticks because I have Chinese made stuff. Or that I support destruction of the rainforest because I buy things from Amazon.
Jul 3, 2014 08:59:06 #
DEBJENROB wrote:
In the US companies are regulated not controlled .....there is a difference ...... you may not see it .... but most of us do ....
Really, maybe you should get a pharmacy sometime ..Govt is controlling everything in spite of what you call regulations...
Jul 3, 2014 09:02:06 #
SteveR wrote:
The owners would live with that, I am sure. They were willing to shut their doors rather than live with the alternative. The inability to start companies and avoid these types of abortion inducing birth control devices would have had a chilling effect on Christians going into business.
"a chilling effect on Christians....." Does this statement refer just to Christian men? You see, folks, vasectomies throughout America are totally covered by insurance companies. Vasectomies serve one purpose and that is to stop sperm from entering the vagina which in turn could fertilize a female egg WHICH IN TURN prevents that lucky egg developing into a fetus WHICH IN TURN, if all goes well.....or better yet, if GOD so chooses (what?), to allow another birth (which, in the hands of a drug infested "mother".....well, you get the picture.) Christians going into business......what BS.
Jul 3, 2014 09:03:00 #
dcampbell52 wrote:
Actually, you are wrong about Walmart. Walmart is a publicly traded company, HL is a privately wholly owned company that the entire stock is owned by the family. This is why they were able to win the court case. Wholly owned means it is their company and they don't have to worry about your partial owner ship or mine. The employees have 401ks but the 401ks are ownership of other companies not HL.
Wal-Mart is a closely held company. That means that while shares are publicly traded, the Walton family owns more than 50% of them. The decision in HL was that closely held corporations do have RFRA rights and could chose to not offer these abortificants under their insurance programs. That doesn't mean Wal-Mart or any other closely held company will do so, just that they are permitted to do so.
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Jul 3, 2014 09:08:48 #
wilpharm wrote:
Really, maybe you should get a pharmacy sometime ..Govt is controlling everything in spite of what you call regulations...
I have several friends who owned pharmacies .... they never complained about government control ... in-fact they did very well... financially ....
Jul 3, 2014 09:13:07 #
wilpharm wrote:
Really, maybe you should get a pharmacy sometime ..Govt is controlling everything in spite of what you call regulations...
Wil, is Trazodone a controlled substance?
Jul 3, 2014 09:17:00 #
steve03 wrote:
Yes let's get Government off the backs of business... (show quote)
You bring up great points to consider. For me though, those points have already been considered and improvements have been made years ago so those things don't happen anymore. We still have unions too but most of the things unions fought for are now within government regulations making unions not so great as they once were. America did have some dark days but nobody sees those days coming back so why can't we move on.
Why do you tell a lie and say that is what Conservatives really want. You know that isn't true. Why must Liberals slant everything to suit their agenda? It is the same as saying Republicans want to push Grandma over a cliff. You know it isn't true but you keep pushing the same old BS. If you had any points in your favor you would not have to lie.
What is true is that many corporations are holding on to their money these days because the Obama administration can't make up its mind about business matters. Corporations don't know what to make of Obamacare just yet. Many parts are still unknown such as hidden taxes, the real costs are not known yet. I don't blame companies for hanging on to their money until there is some growth. When the government does get off the backs of not only corporations but also, we the people, then business can get back to usual.
Dennis
Jul 3, 2014 09:18:51 #
TimS
Loc: GA
DEBJENROB wrote:
In the US companies are regulated not controlled .....there is a difference ...... you may not see it .... but most of us do ....
I bet you can not name a single activity that you do on a day-to-day basis that is not taxed, regulated, or controlled by the government in some way.
Companies are, by-and-large, over regulated. We have government agencies telling companies that they are not allowed to expand to other parts of the country for crying out loud!
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