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Veteran denied motel room in Daytona Beach because he had service dog
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Jun 27, 2014 07:32:51   #
Tango44 Loc: Kentucky
 
dljen wrote:
Did you watch the video? He looks in very good condition and initially walked into the motel asking for a room without his dog, it was in his truck. He saw the sign on the wall and then asked about his dog. The business had a "No Dog" policy and she'd probably never been confronted with this situation before.


YES, I watched the video. You ignored my question...it was simple...DO SERVICE DOG RECIPIENTS RECEIVE IDS? That was all I was asking.

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Jun 27, 2014 07:33:51   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
dljen wrote:
Did you watch the video? He looks in very good condition and initially walked into the motel asking for a room without his dog, it was in his truck. He saw the sign on the wall and then asked about his dog. The business had a "No Dog" policy and she'd probably never been confronted with this situation before.


I watched the video, and also know that if ignorance of the law is not an excuse. How a person a looks has nothing to do with the a handicap and his or her reason for having a service animal. There can be many unforeseen reasons, and none of them are your or my business. If the are properly papered, should have been the only concern of the hotel owner.

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Jun 27, 2014 07:40:30   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
I watched the video, and also know that if ignorance of the law is not an excuse. How a person a looks has nothing to do with the a handicap and his or her reason for having a service animal. There can be many unforeseen reasons, and none of them are your or my business. If the are properly papered, should have been the only concern of the hotel owner.


I know that! What's with these people posting in this thread? Can't you read or just don't you? I know that people can have problems without showing it outwardly and also know it's none of our business.

It didn't say he showed any papers at all. He just announced he had a service dog outside waiting in his truck when he saw that no dogs were allowed. She followed the orders given her.

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Jun 27, 2014 07:49:45   #
BatManPete Loc: Way Up North!
 
Court's outta give Bina Patel 3 weeks duty at the local dog shelter. . . . cleaning kennels and feeding.

What a "thick" skulled "smuck."

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Jun 27, 2014 07:50:11   #
Tango44 Loc: Kentucky
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
It's not just service men, It is anyone needing assistance. All service animals are trained and certified to perform a task, not just for the blind. Some are trained to detect when a person is about to have a seizure, and will pull the person down safely before they fall down. Some may be trained to pick an object up and give it to owner. The reasons vary for what ever the reason, but every animal is certified, and they are not pets by any means. Certification can be a tag or papers, they are identified by the vest they wear saying they are a service animal.


Here is an articular of why they are tagged and certified and people that take advantage of it and how.

http://www.petsadviser.com/service-animal/fake-service-dogs/

And here is where you can find the registration number of any dog or animal that is registered and legit.

http://www.usservicedogregistry.org/
It's not just service men, It is anyone needing as... (show quote)


Thank you Bill! :thumbup:

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Jun 27, 2014 07:52:18   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
dljen wrote:
I know that! What's with these people posting in this thread? Can't you read or just don't you? I know that people can have problems without showing it outwardly and also know it's none of our business.

It didn't say he showed any papers at all. He just announced he had a service dog outside waiting in his truck when he saw that no dogs were allowed. She followed the orders given her.


First off, the counter person called the owner (manager). It was the manager who called the Police telling him he was an american criminal.

Being in the hotel business I know they have to deal with ADA almost every day, from parking spaces, counter heights for wheel chairs, door openings, required to have so many rooms for the handicapped, and they do have special room requirements like toilet height, turning room for a wheel chair, grips and bars for when in shower and around the toilet.

As the manager not having been trained and not taking the time to train her staff she is neglectful in that she should have known that all service animals are certified and should have asked for the certification. She couldn't see the animal over the phone. And if that animal was in the truck, or some place else is a lame excuses for not knowing her job.

Case in point, my wife needs a service animal, I go into hotel to get a room, my wife stays with the animal in the car. I am refused a room according to you because the animal is not with me and as you mentioned I look like I don't need one.

Think about it.

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Jun 27, 2014 07:59:35   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Samuraiz wrote:
I wish this type of discrimination received the same amount of air time as anti-gay discrimination receives.

If this was about a same sex couple being refused service, It would be all over MSNBC, Huffpost, Mother Jones etc.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/veteran-denied-motel-room-daytona-beach-because-he/ngSWM/

No pets is one thing, but a service dog is entirely different, and this person obviously did not know the law.

As a matter of fact, a local post office allows only seeing eye dogs in their lobby. No people, no cats, no birds. :D

Glenford, NY Post Office
Glenford, NY Post Office...

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Jun 27, 2014 08:00:26   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Bill Houghton wrote:
First off, the counter person called the owner (manager). It was the manager who called the Police telling him he was an american criminal.

Being in the hotel business I know they have to deal with ADA almost every day, from parking spaces, counter heights for wheel chairs, door openings, required to have so many rooms for the handicapped, and they do have special room requirements like toilet height, turning room for a wheel chair, grips and bars for when in shower and around the toilet.

As the manager not having been trained and not taking the time to train her staff she is neglectful in that she should have known that all service animals are certified and should have asked for the certification. She couldn't see the animal over the phone. And if that animal was in the truck, or some place else is a lame excuses for not knowing her job.

Case in point, my wife needs a service animal, I go into hotel to get a room, my wife stays with the animal in the car. I am refused a room according to you because the animal is not with me and as you mentioned I look like I don't need one.

Think about it.
First off, the counter person called the owner (ma... (show quote)


I have thought about it. A physically fit *looking* male goes into a motel, asks for a room and notices a sign saying no dogs were allowed. He then tells the clerk that he has a service dog and she says no dogs allowed. She calls the manager and he/she says no dogs allowed. Neither the clerk or manager was aware of the law. I know they were in the wrong, but he was in the wrong too. They weren't aware of the law and should have been but he didn't offer any proof that I saw.

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Jun 27, 2014 08:01:07   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
jerryc41 wrote:
No pets is one thing, but a service dog is entirely different, and this person obviously did not know the law.

As a matter of fact, a local post office allows only seeing eye dogs in their lobby. No people, no cats, no birds. :D


Thats the primary reason I only use Amazon PRIME now. LOL

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Jun 27, 2014 08:02:29   #
balticvid Loc: Queens now NJ
 
Did this incident actually go to court?
If so, What was the outcome?

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Jun 27, 2014 08:07:24   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
When the Police are called, by owner claiming of have a AMERICAN criminal in her lobby what does that tell you , that surpasses an opportunity to show proof of any kind. At least to her. I just glad the police took him to a Hotel where he was treated properly. And she the Manager was cited as she should have been and the courts will handle it as they should. even if they chose to do nothing, she still has the aggravation and expense of going threw the due process of the law.

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Jun 27, 2014 08:10:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dljen wrote:
I have thought about it. A physically fit *looking* male goes into a motel...

It's the same with many people who have handicap parking permits. They look okay, but we don't know their medical history. Judging people by their appearance is never a safe bet.

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Jun 27, 2014 08:20:27   #
sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC
 
dljen wrote:
It's illegal under the ADA to charge extra. This man looks very fit in the video but who knows, looks can be deceiving. If he is "playing the system," he's not doing disabled folks any favors. He should carry and show the proper papers for having a service dog. I didn't notice whether he said he did or not.


Yes -- He did say that he had papers as he was recording on his phone, but she didn't bother to ask for or look at them.

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Jun 27, 2014 08:25:51   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
sye wrote:
Yes -- He did say that he had papers as he was recording on his phone, but she didn't bother to ask for or look at them.


She was to busy calling 911 properly. Actually he was most likely better off. I can feel the bed bugs biting my rosy red checks now. Feeling the mattress move beneath me as I sleep. LOL

Hotel review: http://www.booking.com/hotel/us/seventeenseventeen-northatlantic-daytonabeach.html#tab-reviews

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Jun 27, 2014 08:42:01   #
TedPaul Loc: Madison, MS
 
Samurazi a, there are service dogs and therapy dogs. I had 2 dogs accepted as therapy dogs. The training for a therapy dog is not even a hint of a service dog. Purpose of a therapy dog is to go into a hospital and entertain- socialize with patients. A lot of patients look forward to the visits. Hospitals also publish a wish to have such dogs visit.upon completion of requisite training , a dog is provided with a medallion and jacket, but he is not a service dog. I travelled with my dog(standard poodle). We stayed at a fancy hotel in Houston, when calling in our reservation, they would ask if Mr. Zeus would be coming. I never represented him as a service animal. Zeus seemed to know he was welcomed.

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