With voter turn out so low, it's not very hard to conclude voters get what they deserve in many cases.
dljen wrote:
I agree, Wolf, during the primaries, there were more people working there than came into vote while I was there. NOBODY has an excuse not to vote. The turnout was very low in my precinct. I was especially interested because I am for Tom Wolf and have been preaching about him for a long time for those who'd listen. We have to give Corbett his walking papers. :)
I agree with you on Tom Wolf and the getting rid of Corbett. I can't quite figure out which one is worse Between T. Corbett or Tom Ridge. Both bad....Rich
NDcanoe wrote:
When it was said the earth was flat, 97% of scientists agreed with that. Didn't know this same group of scientists lived this long but the statistics don't lie.
At the end of the 19th century the consensus among physicists was that all the important discoveries in physics had been made and that only a little "mopping up" remained to be done.
onyxtiger wrote:
97 per cent of world scientists? Regarding what? Global warming? or rather climate change? If that's the subject matter, then you do know the survey is flawed. That 97% is from only 79 respondents that 'claimed to have climate science as their area of expertise.' Hardly a 'consensus'.
I have tried to see liberals viewpoints. But I'm unable to get my head that far up my ass.
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Penny MG wrote:
Good reply! :thumbup:
The reply I frequently give to some stunning bit of proglodytic dimwittery goes something like this: " Sir/Madam, I strongly suspect that I am not stupid enough to properly understand your argument. I'm certain that I'm not stupid enough to <i>agree</i> with it." This usually convinces them that they'd be better off flogging it elsewhere.
NeilL wrote:
What worries me, Penny, is that if we ban abortions, the back-street abortionist will be in business again, along with butchered fetuses and mothers.
I think we all have that concern, however, even though there are clinics available, the back-street abortionist are still in existence and are still used by some that are to embarrassed to go to a real clinic or they don't have insurance or claim to have very little cash. We cannot ever get rid of all the "negatives", but we sure can work on it.
I have a friend from a rich family that cannot have children now because of a botched abortion. She also has mental issues regarding "killing a baby". She thought it wouldn't bother her because she 17 and other friends said "you get over it quickly", but it does severely. I asked her why she didn't go to a real clinic and she said she was afraid they'd tell her parents or make her wait. She didn't want to wait because she was afraid she'd change her mind. Though her family was not religious in any form or fashion, she was afraid of disappointing her parents.
Imagine how they feel now....as they never will have grandchildren, but the worse feeling as a parent is knowing that your children feel like they cannot talk to you in a time of personal crisis.
[quote=onyxtiger]97 per cent of world scientists? Regarding what? Global warming? or rather climate change? If that's the subject matter, then you do know the survey is flawed. That 97% is from only 79 respondents that 'claimed to have climate science as their area of expertise.' Hardly a 'consensus'.
Close enough for a liberal interpretation that 97% of humanity agree. Even the ones that never heard of global warmism!
NeilL
Loc: British-born Canadian
Penny MG wrote:
I think we all have that concern, however, even though there are clinics available, the back-street abortionist are still in existence and are still used by some that are to embarrassed to go to a real clinic or they don't have insurance or claim to have very little cash. We cannot ever get rid of all the "negatives", but we sure can work on it.
I have a friend from a rich family that cannot have children now because of a botched abortion. She also has mental issues regarding "killing a baby". She thought it wouldn't bother her because she 17 and other friends said "you get over it quickly", but it does severely. I asked her why she didn't go to a real clinic and she said she was afraid they'd tell her parents or make her wait. She didn't want to wait because she was afraid she'd change her mind. Though her family was not religious in any form or fashion, she was afraid of disappointing her parents.
Imagine how they feel now....as they never will have grandchildren, but the worse feeling as a parent is knowing that your children feel like they cannot talk to you in a time of personal crisis.
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Very sorry to hear about your friend. I can only imagine how her parents feel. There is no real answer - you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. but, I do imagine there's a lot of self-blame going on.
WereWolf1967 wrote:
For the longest time, I had a custom made magnetic sign for my trunk that had a skull and crossbones with a gun superimposed on it saying, "Abort the Abortionists"
I got a lot of middle finger salutes from other motorists.
I had to take it off because a State Trooper from Virginia asked me to very politely. He said, "even though I agree with you sir, you may become a victim of road rage".
I took it off but secretly welcomed the opportunity to defend my point of view.
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Werewolf, to answer your other question about how I would have felt to be aborted..... My mother never turned down an opportunity to remind me that I was a "mistake". For a while My mother was extremely jealous of me because my father doted over me. He was a fabulous musician and when I started playing the piano at age 3 he became ecstatic about it. After I became an adult, my mother and I finally had the opportunity to sit and talk about "growing" up. She now states that I was the BEST mistake she ever made. That does my heart good to know that positive things can come from experiences that we think we don't want to experience.
dljen wrote:
Penny, we'll never agree on this one. Birth control is not 100%. If it was, that'd be another thing, but since it isn't, you can be taking birth control pills and still get pregnant. I know many men would, when they're judging and when are they not here, say that you shouldn't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant. Try telling a man that. You can get pregnant on birth control. Abortion is no biggie. It's not a child at less than 5 weeks. If it were, the woman would have more pain than what she does. No, abortion should always be legal but I know better than to think the conservatives would leave their hands off it. Doctors will make more money going in the abortion business than being md's because it will all be underground. Cash and not carry!
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Donna, you are right, we will never agree on this because I know to many who though abortion is not a big thing, they found out otherwise. Their young minds were not ready to face the reality that they just threw away a life. So we'll have to agree to disagree and move on.
NeilL wrote:
Very sorry to hear about your friend. I can only imagine how her parents feel. There is no real answer - you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. but, I do imagine there's a lot of self-blame going on.
There is a lot of self-blame going on. She and her husband are in the process of trying to adopt but both have stated its not the same as knowing you created that baby. They are a good couple and I know they'll get through this, but she is still not the same person she was before the abortion, Sadly.
NeilL
Loc: British-born Canadian
Penny MG wrote:
There is a lot of self-blame going on. She and her husband are in the process of trying to adopt but both have stated its not the same as knowing you created that baby. They are a good couple and I know they'll get through this, but she is still not the same person she was before the abortion, Sadly.
I wish them all the best. Although it won't be their "own" child, I am sure they will have an abundance of love to give. That will be one lucky child.
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