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Jun 3, 2014 12:40:02   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Red Bear wrote:
Hey, Dennis, with a background like that (a sheltered life), I'm surprised that you know them words. I'm sure that the Corps would never approve! :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol:


No they would not. I attribute it to the USMC being part of the Navy Department. You know the old saying, swear like a sailor. Of course we were the Men's Department.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:41:47   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
A short VA comment. As a veteran I keep up with these things. During the Bush years (I believe he qualifies as a conservative), he "supported our troops" (remember that rallying cry?) by cutting the VA budget and sending the money to Halliburton and Blackwater. VA staffs were cut, building plans scrapped, and many, many veterans were turned away. The money was restored in the next administration but the 7 year backlog was there. The VA in many areas was (is) swamped and staffing is lacking having been dismissed during the Bush years. Building plans have be restored but these take time. There is no excuse for the falsification of records done in Arizona, but that is an isolated case. This is another inherited tragedy laid on the lap of the current administration.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:44:09   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
Red Bear wrote:
Study the history of politics, which probably started when the first guy in the cave picked up a blunt object and said, "I'm bigger - your gonna do what I say." The reaction to that would be "politics." ("How do we work around this jerk?")


An Australian friend once referred to "going for a dump" as "giving birth to a politician." IMHO, that says it all.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:44:45   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
RichieC wrote:
Crapper was a brand name like asking for a: Kleenex or a Tums, or Scott towel or a Kim wipe, or an ipod, Hitler, Einstein, Jacuzzi, Crock Pot, Breathalyzer, Zamboni , Chapstick, Ping Pong, Popsicle, Q-tip, Roller-Blades, Scotch Tape, Sharpie, Realtor, Tupperware, Velcro, Weed Eater, White-out (wite-out), Band-Aid, Dumpster, Xerox, Post-it, Plexiglass, Styrofoam, Formica, Frisbee, Windbreaker, etc. etc. all brand names.

The original point was spot on, crapper was not originally associated with feces and thus not the swear/dirty/soapy mouthwash word it is evolved in. It is funny that people find it backwardly humorous that a man named Crapper was associated with toilets. He was associated with the successful improved designs of flush toilets to an extent that poor Mr. Harrinton is long forgotten but Mr Crapper's name has reached legend status.

;o)
Crapper was a brand name like asking for a: Kleen... (show quote)



As it should if he perfected an imperfect design.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:47:42   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
lenben wrote:
A short VA comment. As a veteran I keep up with these things. During the Bush years (I believe he qualifies as a conservative), he "supported our troops" (remember that rallying cry?) by cutting the VA budget and sending the money to Halliburton and Blackwater. VA staffs were cut, building plans scrapped, and many, many veterans were turned away. The money was restored in the next administration but the 7 year backlog was there. The VA in many areas was (is) swamped and staffing is lacking having been dismissed during the Bush years. Building plans have be restored but these take time. There is no excuse for the falsification of records done in Arizona, but that is an isolated case. This is another inherited tragedy laid on the lap of the current administration.
A short VA comment. As a veteran I keep up with th... (show quote)


I think you make great points regarding President Bush. Apparently you were sleeping for the past 6 years and did not know that Bush is no longer the President. Now we have a new President, Barack H. Obama. Yes, he is the President who stated 6 years ago that veterans should not have to wait in line behind a bunch of paperwork, blah blah blah. He was going to be the one to take care of it. Then he apparently forgot about it just as most veterans thought he would.

When will President Obama stand on his own two feet and take responsibility for what he has done/not done during his administration. He won twice now. You wanted Bush to do his job. Now want Obama to do his.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:51:59   #
Red Bear
 
dljen wrote:
You are a conservative and can disagree without being disagreeable, unusual and refreshing, Red.


Whoa, I can be disagreeable . . . ask anybody . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jun 3, 2014 12:54:11   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Red Bear wrote:
Whoa, I can be disagreeable . . . ask anybody . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:


Never have seen you being disagreeable.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:55:09   #
Red Bear
 
Everybody, Pleeaassse can In have another chance to be disagreeable? I'm (officially) retired, so it might take a few tries to get it right. ;) :roll: :shock:

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Jun 3, 2014 12:55:35   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
I understand your comments. I think the current administration is taking responsibility for this (and other) issues. The VA has to replace all the personnel lost during Bush II - these are jobs that pay less well than the private sector so when you release those willing to work under this pay restriction it is harder to find replacements. Thus fewer people to see these many new arrivals at the VA door. Perhaps you would be willing to tell your congressperson to increase the pay scale at the VA which is under a rigid government payscale ladder.

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Jun 3, 2014 13:01:46   #
marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I am very proud of the deer in my avatar. He was a noble game animal and he ate very well from my freezer. I made good use of the meat and as he was an older buck he had pretty much already passed his genes on to many future generations of deer to come. Probably you are not into hunting and I am perfectly fine with that but please don't try to put a bad connotation on hunting. In reality it is one of the safest and more noble of the sports available to us. The fact that that deer is hanging from my garage ready to be skinned and made into meat is also a testament that if the world ever really goes to pot at least I will be able to feed my family with my skills of hunting, fishing and trapping. Many in the world today can't say that. If it wasn't for the food store they would probably starve to death.

Last, you say I make good points yet you try to demean me by taking a personal shot at me because I do something different than you though it is still honorable and lawful. Oh yes, it didn't make me mad at all. I am honored you noticed the avatar and commented on it. Hopefully this year I will have a similar but different photo to be proud of.

Dennis
I am very proud of the deer in my avatar. He was ... (show quote)



I'm sorry you think I was trying to demean you. But, pictures of dead animals just make me sad.

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Jun 3, 2014 13:08:13   #
wmiller549
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives can be described very simply:

Liberals form their opinions and make their decisions based on how they believe the world should be. They are driven by ideology and a desire to make a 'better' society.

Conservatives form their opinions and make their decisions based on how the world actually is. Conservatives also want a better society but believe that the formulation of policy should be based on facts not ideology.

It is usually pointless to 'argue' with a liberal. The facts are rarely, if ever, on their side, so inevitably the liberal argument soon deteriorates into name calling.

"Your just a poor-hating, homophobic, gun-loving bigot!. That's who you are!"

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Jun 3, 2014 13:20:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
lenben wrote:
I understand your comments. I think the current administration is taking responsibility for this (and other) issues. The VA has to replace all the personnel lost during Bush II - these are jobs that pay less well than the private sector so when you release those willing to work under this pay restriction it is harder to find replacements. Thus fewer people to see these many new arrivals at the VA door. Perhaps you would be willing to tell your congressperson to increase the pay scale at the VA which is under a rigid government payscale ladder.
I understand your comments. I think the current a... (show quote)


If you click on Quote Reply before answering we will know who you are referring to in your post.

I am not sure about the VA pay scale. I just read that some of the top people in the regional offices made $300,000. a year. That is a pretty good wage in my opinion.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 13:25:50   #
Red Bear
 
dennis2146 wrote:
If you click on Quote Reply before answering we will know who you are referring to in your post.

I am not sure about the VA pay scale. I just read that some of the top people in the regional offices made $300,000. a year. That is a pretty good wage in my opinion.

Dennis


Hey Dennis, $300K/year is NOT the top pay! Higher depending on lotsa stuff - but, It's all "Civil Service" and can be looked up. I have no idea how the "bonus" thing works.

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Jun 3, 2014 13:28:02   #
Red Bear
 
dennis2146 wrote:
No they would not. I attribute it to the USMC being part of the Navy Department. You know the old saying, swear like a sailor. Of course we were the Men's Department.

Dennis


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jun 3, 2014 13:29:46   #
rcaf61
 
hazmatbiochem wrote:
I was raised very conservative, and exsposed conservative ideals, and the Party was never wrong. Then college opened life's door, and I began to perceive the workd differently, swung over to being very liberal. Now after years of life's lessons and diverse experiences I'm an Independent. Both liberal and conservative philosophies have some good beneficial ideals, but both are mostly poor non productive platforms with interests too narrow to benefit society as a whole. For me it's become an analysis of each individual argument as both parties spew manure pretty thick. I take the good from each and trash the rest. Should one believe either party has an elevated value over the other and not capable of wading through mire, then perhaps they're better off in whichever camp of their choosing remaining blind to their own failures while pointing accusing fingers at others. It's a fundamental aspect of American society...have at it. :-)
I was raised very conservative, and exsposed conse... (show quote)


What the hell did you just say? Are you trying to be erudite or just an asshole?

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