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Jun 3, 2014 11:31:54   #
marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I have to agree with you in that there is too much name calling on the forum and not enough discussing. Very quickly a post will turn into nothing but name calling and the topic of discussion is totally forgotten.

I am a Conservative and think Liberal thinking is taking away my freedoms inch by inch until the Federal and State governments will have the power and We the People will have none.

If you look at my past posts I don't call anybody names, I don't get angry and I don't denigrate others whose views differ from mine. I state my position and step back. Normally I do not see a lot of people arguing against my position and wonder why. Remember there can only be an argument if you are argumentative.

Dennis
I have to agree with you in that there is too much... (show quote)


Very good points you make. However, I know this will probably make you mad, but couldn't you find a different picture for your account then you and that poor dead animal. I'm sure you are very proud of your hunting skills but it is a pretty sad picture. Just my opinion.

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Jun 3, 2014 11:34:20   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
RichieC wrote:
Crapper was a brand name like asking for a: Kleenex or a Tums, or Scott towel or a Kim wipe, or an ipod, Hitler, Einstein, Jacuzzi, Crock Pot, Breathalyzer, Zamboni , Chapstick, Ping Pong, Popsicle, Q-tip, Roller-Blades, Scotch Tape, Sharpie, Realtor, Tupperware, Velcro, Weed Eater, White-out (wite-out), Band-Aid, Dumpster, Xerox, Post-it, Plexiglass, Styrofoam, Formica, Frisbee, Windbreaker, etc. etc. all brand names.

The original point was spot on, crapper was not originally associated with feces and thus not the swear/dirty/soapy mouthwash word it is evolved in. It is funny that people find it backwardly humorous that a man named Crapper was associated with toilets. He was associated with the successful improved designs of flush toilets to an extent that poor Mr. Harrinton is long forgotten but Mr Crapper's name has reached legend status.

;o)
Crapper was a brand name like asking for a: Kleen... (show quote)


It might be interesting to find what the name is derived from: "crapeau", pronounced "crappo", is French for toad.

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Jun 3, 2014 11:43:36   #
Dr Grump Loc: Southern New England
 
Pelosi said she wanted to wait until all the facts were in before she made any further comment...

Waiting until all the facts are in really is an irrational thing to do. Right? These liberals. What ARE we going to do with them?

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Jun 3, 2014 12:13:28   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
NeilL wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Dennis. But there are readers (I won't call them UHH'ers, because all they do is sit in this section) who resort to name-calling when they appear to be backed into a corner and cannot reason their way out. I had a heated discussion with one and it became very apparent that individual was, or had the mental age of, 10 - 12 years. Then there's L.P. So much evil vitriol against the Jews.....


Exactly. I don't understand the people, and that is from both the Liberal and Conservative sides, that instantly resort to name calling or using foul language. Having been in the USMC, law enforcement and then corrections fields, I can certainly understand using bad language. I have been there and done that plenty of times. But not with the written word. Anyone who can't take the time while writing to formulate a reasoned response should simply take more time to do it right and be more effective as well.

Somehow the use of the Internet tends to make people feel bigger and more threatening all out of proportion to what they normally would say to the same person when talking to them standing face to face.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:16:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dljen wrote:
They can't contend with facts, it presents problems to cons and they rebel by calling names. They don't have a big vocabulary.


With all due respect to your views you are one of the biggest contributors to name calling on the forum. I am not saying there are not Conservatives who match you post for post but please don't make name calling a Conservative trait. You are just as guilty as any Conservative on the forum.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:18:39   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Exactly. I don't understand the people, and that is from both the Liberal and Conservative sides, that instantly resort to name calling or using foul language. Having been in the USMC, law enforcement and then corrections fields, I can certainly understand using bad language. I have been there and done that plenty of times. But not with the written word. Anyone who can't take the time while writing to formulate a reasoned response should simply take more time to do it right and be more effective as well.

Somehow the use of the Internet tends to make people feel bigger and more threatening all out of proportion to what they normally would say to the same person when talking to them standing face to face.

Dennis
Exactly. I don't understand the people, and that ... (show quote)


:thumbup: Excellent point! I believe them to be cowards - feeling safe to bully people while hiding behind the keyboard.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:19:30   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
With all due respect to your views you are one of the biggest contributors to name calling on the forum. I am not saying there are not Conservatives who match you post for post but please don't make name calling a Conservative trait. You are just as guilty as any Conservative on the forum.

Dennis


I think it's because we disagree on everything that you think I am one of the worst. You don't see the guys on your side, I guess.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:22:38   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Woodie Rick wrote:
More and more studies are showing liberal or conservative to be GENETIC, at least mostly so. More and more liberals added every day, fewer conservatives. Watch the changing demographics.


Without agreeing or disagreeing with your view I wonder if that is because the Liberal tends to give away things to others and that makes the, "others", to then continue to vote that way. I should say gives MY things to others rather than their own things. I have noticed many actors and actresses and people in the entertainment field want to subsidize the so called less than fortunate in society. I notice they don't want to give away any of their millions/billions of dollars. They want me to give away MY money. It is always easy to give away somebody else's money isn't it?

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:23:37   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
dljen wrote:
I think it's because we disagree on everything that you think I am one of the worst. You don't see the guys on your side, I guess.


O.K.! Let's have a moratorium on name-calling.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:26:50   #
Red Bear
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Exactly. I don't understand the people, and that is from both the Liberal and Conservative sides, that instantly resort to name calling or using foul language. Having been in the USMC, law enforcement and then corrections fields, I can certainly understand using bad language.
Dennis


Hey, Dennis, with a background like that (a sheltered life), I'm surprised that you know them words. I'm sure that the Corps would never approve! :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol:

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Jun 3, 2014 12:31:10   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
[quote=Kraken]
pecohen wrote:
Conservatives have such a different world view from the rest of us that we have difficulty making sense of each-other. I've been trying to make sense of the conservative point of view for years and I'm not much closer now than when I started.

Conservatives are from Venus and Liberals are from Mars. :lol: :lol:


More likely the other way around.

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Jun 3, 2014 12:32:17   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
marblclear wrote:
Very good points you make. However, I know this will probably make you mad, but couldn't you find a different picture for your account then you and that poor dead animal. I'm sure you are very proud of your hunting skills but it is a pretty sad picture. Just my opinion.


I am very proud of the deer in my avatar. He was a noble game animal and he ate very well from my freezer. I made good use of the meat and as he was an older buck he had pretty much already passed his genes on to many future generations of deer to come. Probably you are not into hunting and I am perfectly fine with that but please don't try to put a bad connotation on hunting. In reality it is one of the safest and more noble of the sports available to us. The fact that that deer is hanging from my garage ready to be skinned and made into meat is also a testament that if the world ever really goes to pot at least I will be able to feed my family with my skills of hunting, fishing and trapping. Many in the world today can't say that. If it wasn't for the food store they would probably starve to death.

Last, you say I make good points yet you try to demean me by taking a personal shot at me because I do something different than you though it is still honorable and lawful. Oh yes, it didn't make me mad at all. I am honored you noticed the avatar and commented on it. Hopefully this year I will have a similar but different photo to be proud of.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:35:12   #
Red Bear
 
Study the history of politics, which probably started when the first guy in the cave picked up a blunt object and said, "I'm bigger - your gonna do what I say." The reaction to that would be "politics." ("How do we work around this jerk?")

Throughout history, there are trends. There is an established 'status quo,' so some people want "more" or "better." They get their way for awhile, and then people get tired of "change" and become reactionaries, usually, conservative.

Then, after a while the whole cycle starts over again. Forever, near as I can tell. Mankind needs all of the above; the "liberals" to make progress, the people that react against change and want "business as normal" followed by the people that want to "go back" to the "old ways."

If you average all of that out, you might find that we all need each other. ;) ;)

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Jun 3, 2014 12:38:09   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dljen wrote:
I think it's because we disagree on everything that you think I am one of the worst. You don't see the guys on your side, I guess.


dljen,

I don't think you have been reading my posts. I have just this morning in this very thread tried to ridicule those on both sides who resort to name calling. Please go back and read my posts and you will see that. I don't know if we disagree on everything because I doubt we have discussed everything. I wish we lived closer to each other as I would honestly love to sit down with you over a cup of coffee and discuss things we do not have in common. I suspect we are looking at situations from different view points. As long as you didn't start off with, "Well Bush did this", we would get along great. I honestly mean that.

Dennis

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Jun 3, 2014 12:39:47   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
Red Bear wrote:
Study the history of politics, which probably started when the first guy in the cave picked up a blunt object and said, "I'm bigger - your gonna do what I say." The reaction to that would be "politics." ("How do we work around this jerk?")

Throughout history, there are trends. There is an established 'status quo,' so some people want "more" or "better." They get their way for awhile, and then people get tired of "change" and become reactionaries, usually, conservative.

Then, after a while the whole cycle starts over again. Forever, near as I can tell. Mankind needs all of the above; the "liberals" to make progress, the people that react against change and want "business as normal" followed by the people that want to "go back" to the "old ways."

If you average all of that out, you might find that we all need each other. ;) ;)
Study the history of politics, which probably star... (show quote)


You are a conservative and can disagree without being disagreeable, unusual and refreshing, Red.

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