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May 4, 2014 20:30:40   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
i'm, thinking you and RMM have Larry pushed into a corner and he will have to do some real weaseling to get out of it.
LOL

Wellhiem wrote:
I agree. If the conspiracy theorists are claiming that the tower fell at free fall speed, which is 54 miles a second, for 8 seconds, then they are clearly wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity


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May 4, 2014 21:03:27   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Harvey wrote:
WOW - Larry agrees "He" is the liar!!!!



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Harvey, you can't recognize the fact that I have just wearied of dealing with your ignorance in the same way I have wearied of Mike and SteveR. I won't be responding to you or amadjuster, mike and steveR as much as in the past.

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May 4, 2014 21:09:58   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Free fall speed is 54 miles a second. If the tower fell for 8 seconds at free fall speed, it would have to have been 432 miles high. This is basic physics, which you are claiming that nobody but yourself understands.


You may want to check this out:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10wh7v_david-chandler-14-wtc7-nist-finally-admits-freefall-part-2b-clocking-wtc7-dutch-subs_tech

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May 4, 2014 21:14:17   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Wellhiem wrote:
I agree. If the conspiracy theorists are claiming that the tower fell at free fall speed, which is 54 miles a second, for 8 seconds, then they are clearly wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity


This is only a straw man argument meant to draw attention from the fact that WTC7 fell showing all the characteristics of a controlled demolition.
The 9/11 Commission decided not to investigate for controlled demolition.
Guess they were somewhat afraid of what that investigation might reveal.

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May 4, 2014 21:27:16   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
They did not investigate it because they were not dumb enough to swallow the conspiracy theory as you are.


larrypayne wrote:
This is only a straw man argument meant to draw attention from the fact that WTC7 fell showing all the characteristics of a controlled demolition.
The 9/11 Commission decided not to investigate for controlled demolition.
Guess they were somewhat afraid of what that investigation might reveal.

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May 4, 2014 22:46:44   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
There is an old saying which tends to prove itself true:
"when you meet 4 ignorant people a day - you are one yourself"

larrypayne wrote:
Harvey, you can't recognize the fact that I have just wearied of dealing with your ignorance in the same way I have wearied of Mike and SteveR. I won't be responding to you or amadjuster, mike and steveR as much as in the past.

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May 4, 2014 23:40:43   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
I have come to the conclusion that you can't educate pork.

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May 4, 2014 23:55:56   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
DBCooper wrote:
On what freakin' planet is terminal velocity 54 miles per second? You gonna play this game Willy, you better learn to play it right. First, don't ever quote Wikipedia. Talk about your unreliable source and then learn to read. M/s is meters per second, not miles per second. Do you use your head for anything besides a hat stand?


You are right. I had to look up terminal velocity. because I couldn't remember off hand what it was. I misread it because it said MPH and then M/S. I did think at the time that it was a bit extreme, but I then looked at other sites and they all said the same thing. Meters per second does make more sense. But if things were reversed, I would have pointed out the mistake, without the insults.

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May 5, 2014 08:37:11   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Wellhiem wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that you can't educate pork.


Those of us not having Mensa mentality have known that from birth.

I'll bet you can't educate a sack of wrenches either.

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May 5, 2014 11:14:38   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
venturer9 wrote:
Pnagy..... it is good that LarryPayne has a friend and believer in at least some of his theories....
But in relation to your post above... I have absolutely no idea whether or not the building fell of its own weight or not.. but one thing I do know, you are wrong on your statement of the 100 saudies being flown out the next day is wrong....

OF course I assume that you and Larry will say that the 9/11 Commission report is all hogwash, but here it says about the Saudis flying out......


""""And ultimately the 9/11 Commission would offer the following commentary on the issue:
Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States
Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:
(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?
First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at theWhite House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency discussion at his level. Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me. And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me.” Clarke added,“I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House.”
Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it. The President andVice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights. The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.
The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.
Chapter 10, 9/11 Commission Report"""

Here is another short paragraph from a larger article (shown below) showing that the Saudi's did not leave until AFTER the airways were opened..

"""""The young members of the bin Laden clan were driven or flown under F.B.I. supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.""""
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010930nytimes

"""""Myth: Michael Moore was on the Daily Show on Comedy Central and alleged that when all the nation's planes were grounded for 3 days after 9/11, the Bush Administration gave permission for a private Saudi jet to visit 5 cities to pick up around 20 members of the bin Laden family, over the objections of the FBI.


Fact: This just goes to show what a little bit of fact flipped onto its side and then spewed by a public figure can do. Yes, a couple of flights arranged by the Saudi government did collect a number of Osama bin Laden's America-based relatives and whisk them to Saudi Arabia in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks, but this didn't take place during the FAA-imposed ban on air travel in the US. The two flights in question took wing on September 18 and 19, days after the ban on air travel was lifted.""""
http://clintoncrimes.tripod.com/ClintonsBinLadenGateMotherofallScandals/id10.html


As probably you and Iknow others have done when chastizing Conservative posters... Check Your Facts....

Mike
Pnagy..... it is good that LarryPayne has a frie... (show quote)



Let's see, now, presuming I made a mistake about the date of the flights, which I do not have the time to check, I listed a number of very troubling facts that cast doubt on the official conspiracy story, but the exact date of the flights out of the country is reason to doubt everything I said? This is a very minor issue in the greater context of other troubling questions about the official 9-11 story. Moreover, the Saudis were still spirited out of the country too rapidly, considering their potential ability to help understand the events of 9-11.

Check my facts? Sure, but only to the extent I already have. I can live with a minor error -if that is what this is- of this sort in something less than a published article. Now, would you like to address some of the other issues?

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May 5, 2014 11:42:20   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Pnagy said in part...."""Check my facts? Sure, but only to the extent I already have. I can live with a minor error -if that is what this is- of this sort in something less than a published article. Now, would you like to address some of the other issues?"

I will answer the 2nd part first....No

The "Error" in the date and accusations toward President Bush are not now nor were they then a MINOR accusation.... The great cloud of Conspiracy Theorists use that as ONE of their MAJOR proofs that the Buildings were blown down by our Government...."""

Mike

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May 5, 2014 12:13:10   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
The proof that the buildings were blown up is in the videos for all the world to see. No other proof is needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9u1xGeitPk

And . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

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May 5, 2014 12:22:41   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
larrypayne wrote:
The proof that the buildings were blown up is in the videos for all the world to see. No other proof is needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9u1xGeitPk

And . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Which, of course, is why the rest of the world thinks that the WTC was brought down by two jet planes flying into them. 'Cause the rest of the world's just stupid.

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May 5, 2014 12:39:57   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
RMM wrote:
Which, of course, is why the rest of the world thinks that the WTC was brought down by two jet planes flying into them. 'Cause the rest of the world's just stupid.


RMM, I'm still here. Why are you still here?

I'll have to put you in the Ted Nugent category. Remember when he said if Obama were elected, he would be either "dead or in jail"? He's neither.
You said you would leave this forum if I wasn't gone by Monday.
A little rat pack mendacity, hey?

Two planes can't bring down three buildings, can they? Maybe in your world, but not in the real world.

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May 5, 2014 12:51:09   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Yes Larry it did happen in the real world but not in your fiction and hate filled mind.

larrypayne wrote:
RMM, I'm still here. Why are you still here?

I'll have to put you in the Ted Nugent category. Remember when he said if Obama were elected, he would be either "dead or in jail"? He's neither.
You said you would leave this forum if I wasn't gone by Monday.
A little rat pack mendacity, hey?

Two planes can't bring down three buildings, can they? Maybe in your world, but not in the real world.

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