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May 4, 2014 15:02:25   #
kevinbeyer Loc: Houston TX
 
EarthArts wrote:
An interesting discussion on drones. Let's take a realistic approach. First, who labeled them drones ? I don't know. The FAA ? Some other govt. official ? Perhaps. You can be pretty sure it was someone who wanted to create panic with the general population. After all what is the first thing that comes to mind when you mention drone . . . . Spying ? Something hovering outside your bedroom window ? Or maybe your car or house suddenly blown up. The first ones ( hexacopters, octocopters, or whatever ). Were put together by hobbyists to try to capture images that otherwise required an expensive plane. Of all the articles and ads I have read none mention spying on your neighbors. Instead they show the usefulness of these vehicles as tools for documentation and education. And some just for the joy of flying them the same as any other model airplane. Someone is desperately trying to create a negative public image of these devices . . NSA perhaps ? I see tremendous positive potential for these things. Surveying, wildlife studies, photographing remote areas, emergency searches, unique photographic angles of difficult subjects . . . . . And I am sure there are dozens of uses which could eliminate having to use an expensive aircraft, not to mention photographing areas that conventional aircraft simply cannot safely access.

So what is the down side to this ? The most obvious answer would be IDIOTS.
Common sense should tell you not to fly near an airport or it's approach & take off points. Don't fly it down the highway, causing an unsafe distraction, do not fly near emergency operations i.e. Fire or police operations , do not Hoover outside your neighbors window. Don't be a show off or use it recklessly where you could endanger someone's health. DO NOT invade someone's privacy. Get permission - a little good will goes a long way.

I am all for this technology if used in a positive and responsible manner. It has so much positive potential.
An interesting discussion on drones. Let's take a... (show quote)


Intelligent view from a thoughtful perspective. Unlike some of the knee jerks.

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May 4, 2014 15:03:10   #
Realist101 Loc: Indiana
 
See? Abuse reigns. And there's no where to go to get some peace either. Sad...

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May 4, 2014 15:05:31   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Rongnongno wrote:
It ss not about freedom of the press but flying something over a disaster area, at the risk of creating more mayhem. As to the 'drone industry' can you spell invasion of privacy first?

Once again you jump the gun and shoot your keyboard off, in the wrong forum too.

Freedom of the press. Fly one of those things over my house and I show you freedom of the press.


Lol...speaking of flying off at the mouth before you know what you are talking about.

It's not as if a drone has any more ability to spy than any other method currently employed, such as satellites, manned aircraft, surveillance cams, etc etc.

And before you attack me for not knowing what I'm talking about...I've been in the UAV (Drone) business for about 30 years.

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May 4, 2014 15:12:54   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
EarthArts wrote:
An interesting discussion on drones. Let's take a realistic approach. First, who labeled them drones ? I don't know. The FAA ? Some other govt. official ? Perhaps. You can be pretty sure it was someone who wanted to create panic with the general population.


Actually, the word "drone" has been in use since the first unmanned vehicles were produced. I believe it was first used in the 1930's.

It's a common term for "UAV" or Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.


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After all what is the first thing that comes to mind when you mention drone . . . . Spying ? Something hovering outside your bedroom window ? Or maybe your car or house suddenly blown up. The first ones ( hexacopters, octocopters, or whatever ). Were put together by hobbyists to try to capture images that otherwise required an expensive plane.



Actually the first ones were developed by the government. They are very useful; primarily they can fly where pilots cannot or should not go.


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Of all the articles and ads I have read none mention spying on your neighbors. Instead they show the usefulness of these vehicles as tools for documentation and education. And some just for the joy of flying them the same as any other model airplane. Someone is desperately trying to create a negative public image of these devices . . NSA perhaps ?


Lol..the NSA?

No...they don't need to...every person who hears the word does a good job creating panic on their own.


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I see tremendous positive potential for these things. Surveying, wildlife studies, photographing remote areas, emergency searches, unique photographic angles of difficult subjects . . . . . And I am sure there are dozens of uses which could eliminate having to use an expensive aircraft, not to mention photographing areas that conventional aircraft simply cannot safely access.


Very true...they do all that and more right now.


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So what is the down side to this ? The most obvious answer would be IDIOTS.
Common sense should tell you not to fly near an airport or it's approach & take off points. Don't fly it down the highway, causing an unsafe distraction, do not fly near emergency operations i.e. Fire or police operations , do not Hoover outside your neighbors window. Don't be a show off or use it recklessly where you could endanger someone's health. DO NOT invade someone's privacy. Get permission - a little good will goes a long way.

I am all for this technology if used in a positive and responsible manner. It has so much positive potential.
br So what is the down side to this ? The most o... (show quote)


True true true.

Just like blaming guns, knives or cars instead of the idiot that is wielding them....we blame the gadget.

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May 4, 2014 16:05:07   #
Dick Z. Loc: Downers Grove IL
 
kevinbeyer wrote:
Intelligent view from a thoughtful perspective. Unlike some of the knee jerks.


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May 4, 2014 16:35:48   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Guys, MOST of the current anti-drone legislation is out of sheer ignorance.

SERIOUSLY!

State legislators hear the word "Drone" associated with killing terrorists abroad and have the knee jerk reaction of banning them, incorrectly thinking that ALL drones are dangerous and can be used for assassinations or surveillance.

The F.A.A. wants to control them because they could present a hazard to aviation.

I think they should be regulated like R.C. Model airplanes and helicopters.

Hey... that's a good question! If I put a GoPro on my R.C. model Helicopter and take pictures, can/will they fine ME $10,000?!?! :D
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I flew R/C model airplanes for about 25 years when I was younger. The only FAA rule then was that you couldn't fly within some set distance of an airport--I think the limit was 1/4 mile, but I don't remember. Most of the "rules" regarding model planes were the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) guidelines. Model planes and helicopters were the 'drones' of their day and the distance from the controller and altitude at which they flew was generally limited by how far you could see the plane well enough to control it. That's still true, but the modern controls will operate the plane long after it is out of sight. If a modeler had the equipment the Air Force is using for their (our) drones and the fuel capacity was increased, there is no reason the models couldn't be controlled for hundreds of miles. Attach a camera, which some modelers were doing back in the '70's, and you have a spy plane, & unregulated. :D

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May 4, 2014 16:48:12   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
GrayPlayer wrote:
There are drones and then there are "drones!" Call them "paparazzi" drones. Invasion of privacy includes invading ones personal space.


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May 4, 2014 17:09:28   #
Dick Z. Loc: Downers Grove IL
 
JCam wrote:
I flew R/C model airplanes for about 25 years when I was younger. The only FAA rule then was that you couldn't fly within some set distance of an airport--I think the limit was 1/4 mile, but I don't remember. Most of the "rules" regarding model planes were the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) guidelines. Model planes and helicopters were the 'drones' of their day and the distance from the controller and altitude at which they flew was generally limited by how far you could see the plane well enough to control it. That's still true, but the modern controls will operate the plane long after it is out of sight. If a modeler had the equipment the Air Force is using for their (our) drones and the fuel capacity was increased, there is no reason the models couldn't be controlled for hundreds of miles. Attach a camera, which some modelers were doing back in the '70's, and you have a spy plane, & unregulated. :D
I flew R/C model airplanes for about 25 years when... (show quote)

JCam, I fly radio control planes 3 times a week, weather permitting. It's true you can fly as far as you can see the planes but safely only about 400 feet. The 2.4 Gigahertz. radios are on an air radio signal that is limited to probably close to a mile at the most. The Military Drones fly off a satellite, and can be flown thousands of miles.That's the difference between model airplanes and military Drones.

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May 4, 2014 17:17:47   #
Goldwinger Loc: Boynton Beach Florida
 
these little quad copters have a range of about 1500 meters I don't think they are a big threat to anyone

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May 4, 2014 18:03:16   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
The FAA set a no-fly zone around the BP Gulf Oil Spill during that crisis. Only possible reason was to protect BP from the negative publicity photos would provide. And there's no excuse for the no-fly zone near the Arkansas Tornado damage area, other than their need to have absolute control! As to Texaseve's concern about photographing someone's loved one killed by the tornado, that is a legitimate news story, and therefor, a 1st Amendment issue. No, drones are only an air safety issue, and not much of an issue at that.

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May 4, 2014 18:09:05   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
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May 4, 2014 18:25:50   #
texaseve Loc: TX, NC and NH
 
If I were close by and saw someone taking a picture of someone related to me that were dead....I would be attacking you 1st amendment, no 1st amendment. And if it is too close for comfort at my house - it will be coming down.

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May 4, 2014 18:27:17   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
JCam wrote:
I flew R/C model airplanes for about 25 years when I was younger. The only FAA rule then was that you couldn't fly within some set distance of an airport--I think the limit was 1/4 mile, but I don't remember. Most of the "rules" regarding model planes were the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) guidelines. Model planes and helicopters were the 'drones' of their day and the distance from the controller and altitude at which they flew was generally limited by how far you could see the plane well enough to control it. That's still true, but the modern controls will operate the plane long after it is out of sight. If a modeler had the equipment the Air Force is using for their (our) drones and the fuel capacity was increased, there is no reason the models couldn't be controlled for hundreds of miles. Attach a camera, which some modelers were doing back in the '70's, and you have a spy plane, & unregulated. :D
I flew R/C model airplanes for about 25 years when... (show quote)


Dick Z. wrote:
JCam, I fly radio control planes 3 times a week, weather permitting. It's true you can fly as far as you can see the planes but safely only about 400 feet. The 2.4 Gigahertz. radios are on an air radio signal that is limited to probably close to a mile at the most. The Military Drones fly off a satellite, and can be flown thousands of miles.That's the difference between model airplanes and military Drones.


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May 4, 2014 18:37:40   #
Sneidley Loc: Goodyear, AZ
 
http://www.dailytech.com/Court+Rules+that+FAA+Cannot+Ban+Commercial+Drones+Dismisses+10000+Fine+for+Drone+User/article34468.htm

Court ruled that the FAA has no jurisdiction over personal R/C planes, helicopters, multi-rotor copters, and the like.

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May 4, 2014 21:07:29   #
Fish Bones Loc: NC
 
This is really ridiculous. My son started flying radio controlled aircraft many years ago. One of his planes had a seven foot wingspan with a two cylinder weed wacker size engine. There was no problem with this, it was a hobby. He had a jet plane powered by a battery powered electric fan engine that flew well over 70 MPH. It too was a just a radio controlled plane. At one point her put a camera in a plane and recorded his whole flight. It was still a radio controlled airplane. Then he advanced to radio controlled helicopters, performing stunts. Again it was just a radio controlled helicopter. No problem. One of his friends put a gimbaled camera on a radio controlled helicopter. OMG itÂ’s a drone.
My son now builds four bladed helicopters a quad-copter it is considered a drone, come on. The technology has progressed so far that people are flying planes, helicopters and quad-copters with cameras. You can actually get gear to allow you to use the camera real time with special receivers to fly the device as if you were in the cockpit.
I find the term drone interesting. It was a military term used for unmanned aircraft. A normal person flying a quad-copter is not out to kill or harm anyone. It is their hobby, it is not a drone used for spying or destroying targets. Like anything else there will be people that will use the things for nefarious reasons. I am sure paparazzi would have no qualms using it to catch someone in an awkward sellable situation.
Now why is it illegal to make money with his hobby? He would love to take videos of houses and the surroundings for a realtor. Many amateur photographers use their skill to sell photos they take what is the difference?

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