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May 5, 2014 01:51:12   #
Lazy Old Coot Loc: Gainesville, Florida
 
Hmm, I guess he should have used a kite. ...... Coot

jerryc41 wrote:
A drone operator who got footage of tornado damage in Arkansas might be fined $10,000 by the FAA. Several operators could also be fined if the FAA decides to go ahead with this. Freedom of the press comes into play here, and the laws are vague. News like this is going to hurt the drone industry.

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May 5, 2014 04:21:53   #
ardenweiss Loc: Maryland
 
What's the dif between a drone and a manned manned plane taking the same pics?

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May 5, 2014 05:03:24   #
DaveHam Loc: Reading UK
 
ardenweiss wrote:
What's the dif between a drone and a manned manned plane taking the same pics?


Psychology. One is a common occurrence, no one thinks about it. The other is new and excites interest.

Wait until driverless cars are introduced. The screams of protest will be deafening!

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May 5, 2014 06:57:49   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Dick Z. wrote:
JCam, I fly radio control planes 3 times a week, weather permitting. It's true you can fly as far as you can see the planes but safely only about 400 feet. The 2.4 Gigahertz. radios are on an air radio signal that is limited to probably close to a mile at the most. The Military Drones fly off a satellite, and can be flown thousands of miles.That's the difference between model airplanes and military Drones.


Dick,

It's been 20+ years since I was actively flying; that civered the time when the radios changed from SSB to VHF. Once in the air, and with decent eyesight, I think we were more than 400' out, but not significantly. I realize that the military control systems has very different control technology,but they are essentially "

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May 5, 2014 07:07:06   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Dick Z. wrote:
JCam, I fly radio control planes 3 times a week, weather permitting. It's true you can fly as far as you can see the planes but safely only about 400 feet. The 2.4 Gigahertz. radios are on an air radio signal that is limited to probably close to a mile at the most. The Military Drones fly off a satellite, and can be flown thousands of miles.That's the difference between model airplanes and military Drones.


Dick,

It's been 20+ years since I was actively flying; that covered the time when the radios changed from SSB to VHF. Once in the air, and with decent eyesight, I think we were more than 400' out, but not significantly, our field was bigger than that. I realize that the military control systems have very different control technology,but they are essentially "grown up models". My point was mainly that R/C Models without much government control-- it's probably one of the few activities that they haven't butted into yet.

That said I am unalterably against the FAA giving there blessing to unlimited drones over our homeland, except for very limited law enforcement and search and rescue missions. The thought of thousands of drones mixing it up with all the commercial and private flights over towns and cities is an invitation to disaster.

I haven't seen anything in the news about the $10,000 fine, but I suspect it was unlicensed.

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May 5, 2014 09:13:52   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
I love the hobby... but I have seen irresponsible people do irresponsible things.

The R.C. field in my home town is MILES from the airports and NOT in any flight path, save one; the RARELY used paths assigned to medical helicopters flying from the towns in the S.E. to our regional medical center and specialty hospitals.

And even though the field is basically on a closed down Solid Waste Landfill, there are a number of subdivisions in every direction and over the years there have been a number of VERY expensive accidents caused by irresponsible pilots being irresponsible. I've SEEN it with my own two eyes. :x

Contrary to popular belief, MOST regulations are put into place because of something bad that has already happened in an attempt to keep it from happening again.....

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May 5, 2014 09:37:20   #
Dick Z. Loc: Downers Grove IL
 
JCam wrote:
Dick,

It's been 20+ years since I was actively flying; that covered the time when the radios changed from SSB to VHF. Once in the air, and with decent eyesight, I think we were more than 400' out, but not significantly, our field was bigger than that. I realize that the military control systems have very different control technology,but they are essentially "grown up models". My point was mainly that R/C Models without much government control-- it's probably one of the few activities that they haven't butted into yet.

That said I am unalterably against the FAA giving there blessing to unlimited drones over our homeland, except for very limited law enforcement and search and rescue missions. The thought of thousands of drones mixing it up with all the commercial and private flights over towns and cities is an invitation to disaster.

I haven't seen anything in the news about the $10,000 fine, but I suspect it was unlicensed.
Dick, br br It's been 20+ years since I was activ... (show quote)

JCam. The guys I fly with are mostly senior citizens and have respect for the laws governing RC flying. To fly RC and be a member of our club a person has to be a member of the AMA, mostly for insurance purpose. Our rules are rather strict. No flying over 400 feet and flying and landing at least 25 ft. over the pits.

Most or the models we fly today are rather small and some are difficult to see over 300 ft. I fly all electric now. I find at my age it's much easier. Battery powered models are also very quiet, I like that although our club and the Forrest Preserve has rules that no flying can be done before 9:00 am and that includes electrics. Lastly the permitted photos taken by model planes and copters if any are taken over our flying field. We have over 100 members an I know of only one that takes pictures.

I think the whole thing that stirred up the fear of Drones was recent TV news programs talking about Amazon.com delivering packages to your door via drones, " stupid Idea".

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May 5, 2014 09:55:49   #
Michael66 Loc: Queens, New York
 
DaveHam wrote:
Psychology. One is a common occurrence, no one thinks about it. The other is new and excites interest.

Wait until driverless cars are introduced. The screams of protest will be deafening!


As a programmer and one who has dealt with far too numerous BAD BAD BAD embedded systems, I truly fear driver-less anything. I dislike most automated systems because they are poorly written with usually no error handling. Add idiot pilots behind the controls and I want to hide.

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May 5, 2014 09:57:57   #
Michael66 Loc: Queens, New York
 
CHOLLY wrote:
I love the hobby... but I have seen irresponsible people do irresponsible things.

The R.C. field in my home town is MILES from the airports and NOT in any flight path, save one; the RARELY used paths assigned to medical helicopters flying from the towns in the S.E. to our regional medical center and specialty hospitals.

And even though the field is basically on a closed down Solid Waste Landfill, there are a number of subdivisions in every direction and over the years there have been a number of VERY expensive accidents caused by irresponsible pilots being irresponsible. I've SEEN it with my own two eyes. :x

Contrary to popular belief, MOST regulations are put into place because of something bad that has already happened in an attempt to keep it from happening again.....
I love the hobby... but I have seen irresponsible ... (show quote)


Ah! Someone that truly understands the problem. We are NOT luddites. We KNOW the tech is flawed.

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May 5, 2014 11:27:49   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
I agree, and the new electrics are small; the smallest I ever has was 43" inch wingspan, glow plug engines. .35 - .62 Cu In.

I loved the hobby/sport, but family, a new small business, and sailboat were all competing for time. Now retired, I kept one biplane for "old times sake" but don't the think the old eyes are good enough to fly safely. Now I just have a bigger sailboat.

Fly safely.

Jim

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May 5, 2014 11:54:28   #
balticvid Loc: Queens now NJ
 
Shellback wrote:
All trap and skeet shooters - there are fresh targets out there...


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May 5, 2014 11:57:39   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
A friend of a friend used the quad to do a video for a bed and breakfast web site, and has done real estate videos, and roof inspections for a contractor. No doubt they can be used to invade privacy, but so can the internet. Websites like Spokeo, Zillow and Google maps can be used to see your house from the air and street, and identify your location and relatives. If you bought a house in the last half dozen years it's likely pictures of the rooms and yard were posted on the realtor's website and are now in the public domain. Public records will tell anyone who is interested what you paid for the house, who holds your mortgage and what your taxes are, and if you pay them on time. The only sense of privacy most people have is that they don't appreciate the extent to which information about them is already available to the public. And that is not even getting into what the government has and can easily get if they become interested.
Fish Bones wrote:
This is really ridiculous. My son started flying radio controlled aircraft many years ago. One of his planes had a seven foot wingspan with a two cylinder weed wacker size engine. There was no problem with this, it was a hobby. He had a jet plane powered by a battery powered electric fan engine that flew well over 70 MPH. It too was a just a radio controlled plane. At one point her put a camera in a plane and recorded his whole flight. It was still a radio controlled airplane. Then he advanced to radio controlled helicopters, performing stunts. Again it was just a radio controlled helicopter. No problem. One of his friends put a gimbaled camera on a radio controlled helicopter. OMG itÂ’s a drone.
My son now builds four bladed helicopters a quad-copter it is considered a drone, come on. The technology has progressed so far that people are flying planes, helicopters and quad-copters with cameras. You can actually get gear to allow you to use the camera real time with special receivers to fly the device as if you were in the cockpit.
I find the term drone interesting. It was a military term used for unmanned aircraft. A normal person flying a quad-copter is not out to kill or harm anyone. It is their hobby, it is not a drone used for spying or destroying targets. Like anything else there will be people that will use the things for nefarious reasons. I am sure paparazzi would have no qualms using it to catch someone in an awkward sellable situation.
Now why is it illegal to make money with his hobby? He would love to take videos of houses and the surroundings for a realtor. Many amateur photographers use their skill to sell photos they take what is the difference?
This is really ridiculous. My son started flying r... (show quote)

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May 5, 2014 16:12:32   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
People should have an ADJUSTED expectation of privacy.

Their expectation of safety in the air however, should be absolute....

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May 5, 2014 19:47:33   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Well.... I just got my latest copy of the B&H catalog out of the mailbox.

Guess what's on the cover?

TWO of them... :lol:

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May 5, 2014 21:48:13   #
jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx
 
Rongnongno wrote:
It ss not about freedom of the press but flying something over a disaster area, at the risk of creating more mayhem. As to the 'drone industry' can you spell invasion of privacy first?

Once again you jump the gun and shoot your keyboard off, in the wrong forum too.

Freedom of the press. Fly one of those things over my house and I show you freedom of the press.
well if i knew where in hell ya was i would ,as for the disaster area ,also how did it cause more mayhem ,what in the devil did it matter ,like everybody else i would like to survey the damage and if i could ,help .(ps i also own a 50 cal ,so fore ya shoot a drone think !!! ) ,HAR!

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