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Mar 3, 2014 20:25:40   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
FutureLook wrote:
Here we go again. Calling names again. Stop looking at yourself in the mirror. Don't you get tired? Remember "Mirror, mirror on the wall, boy am I frustrated liberal after all"?

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Gee, I didn't realize that when you call someone a liberal that it was meant to be a term of endearment. Silly me, I thought you were calling me names, even though I do not personally think it's derogatory. It typically comes from a politically motivated person who can't fairly assess the actions of all parties and this term makes them feel superior or something like that. By the way, look up the meaning of the word sometime. Oh, well.

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Mar 3, 2014 20:31:25   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
The Republicans will probably self destruct in the primaries again, Cruz and Rubio will see to that. Could there be a viable alternative to the big two?

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Mar 3, 2014 21:07:04   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
In 1969/1970 I had friends running off to Canada along with a ton of other young men. I didn't and ended up in the jungles of Viet-Nam in January 1971. Things worked out for me, but I think it gives me license to put in my two-cents worth. I am tired of the finger pointing, the blaming, the lies, dishonesty, and the millions spent on electing our government officials. I think we now have a congress that is there to perform a job as opposed to fulfilling an obligation. There is little respect for the will and well-being of the people. When the country was set up, the congress was to be made up of farmers, printers, attorneys, business owners. They were to serve for a season and return to their chosen professions and contribute as ordinary citizens. Now what we have are professional politicians. They keep making laws -- do you realize there are dozens of laws passed every year and still others amended? How many new laws do we need. Each and every new law carries with it little side agreements -- a new bridge in cumquat city or new highway to nowhere for a vote to help pass the bill. If every US citizen knew the full extent of the money wasted in pork-barrel projects there would be tar and feathers all over Washington! You see, there must eventually be term limits. Without this provision, we will continually have in-breeding within the beltway and you know what in-breeding produces. Eventually it causes mental retardation and idiocy, and isn't that where we are today? My solution is to turn out all the congress we now have. I don't advocate replacing Democrats with Republicans or visa-versa. Replace Democrats with someone from either party, same for Republicans. This is an off year election and maybe if we change out everyone, the remaining members of congress will understand the depth of our concern and start working together -- if not, we vote them out in two years. What I'm seeing on the world stage is not so much that other countries don't want to stand with us in helping to keep freedom alive in the world, but rather they don't trust us to uphold commitments we have pledged. If we had the backbone shown by Kennedy or Regan, we would still have the commitment of countries world wide.

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Mar 3, 2014 21:19:08   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Spindrift62 wrote:
Great Britain and The United States of America have for years had what the politicians and media called a 'Special Relationship' whereby in the event of any world shattering incident our Prime Minister and the U.S. President would confer immediately. However since our Parliament, for once listening to the voters, decided not to slavishly back Obama's 'line in the sand' over Syria, it would appear that the Special Relationship is no more and that France is now the USA's best friend (Well good luck with that then). I will be interested to see how the unrest in the Ukraine pans out now that America is once more 'speaking for the rest of the world' and to see if we are now totally divorced. If we are we will not be contesting custody of Piers Morgan.
Great Britain and The United States of America hav... (show quote)


Barack Obama has never been a fan of Great Britain. One of the first things he did when he came into office was return a bust of Sir Winston Churchill that had sat in the Oval Office back to the British Embassy. Obama considers England's history to be one of colonial imperialism and really does not like you guys.... Heck, when he visited the UK he gave the queen a cd with his speeches on it, I guess as punishment as he somehow expected that the queen would sit and listen to his nonsensical ramblings about social justice, his disparagement of the 1% and going on about how he would transform America and then... I am sure that she was thrilled.... LOL.

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Mar 3, 2014 21:37:48   #
JimKing Loc: Salisbury, Maryland USA
 
I'm pretty much with Bridges. I would like to see term limits also. It does seem that everyone hates congress but loves their congressman. If you call with a problem they will bend over backwards to help you (well the staff we pay for will) and you will think that you should vote for them because they helped you. Remember the next guy from the other party will do the same, it's what you do to get votes and doesn't cost them anything.

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Mar 3, 2014 21:38:31   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JimKing wrote:
I'm probably best described as a Libertarian. I agree with both DaveO and pbearperry. If I thought there was even a chance to scare the Republicans with a Libertarian or Conservative vote I would do it. I don't want to feel I'm completely wasting my vote.


Well you will have the primaries to vote for Paul, and Gary Johnson may run again, it would be nice to see the libertarians do really well in the primaries to send a message to the party elitists. Save your real vote for the general election.

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Mar 3, 2014 21:49:27   #
Rabbott Loc: Grass Valley , California
 
It is our "leaders", who are divorced,, we still think ,,, the people,, are great !!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh,,,,,,,and you ca keep Mr. Morgan.
Spindrift62 wrote:
Great Britain and The United States of America have for years had what the politicians and media called a 'Special Relationship' whereby in the event of any world shattering incident our Prime Minister and the U.S. President would confer immediately. However since our Parliament, for once listening to the voters, decided not to slavishly back Obama's 'line in the sand' over Syria, it would appear that the Special Relationship is no more and that France is now the USA's best friend (Well good luck with that then). I will be interested to see how the unrest in the Ukraine pans out now that America is once more 'speaking for the rest of the world' and to see if we are now totally divorced. If we are we will not be contesting custody of Piers Morgan.
Great Britain and The United States of America hav... (show quote)

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Mar 3, 2014 22:10:36   #
bertloomis Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
It seems everytime something goes wrong in the world many countries look to us to be the policeman and clean it up. The Syrian rebels clearly wanted our help early on.

I am glad that we are no longer doing this. I approve of Obama's foreign policy of minding our own business.

Of course, NATO is quite close to Ukraine but I note that no one called for NATO to step in. The question is always, "What will the US do?"

I clearly remember the slaughter in Kosovo when NATO would not go in unless the US led the way. I also remember Margaret Thatcher claiming that NATO could not go in alone because they lacked the sophisticated weapons the US had. For me this was horrible. The poor little NATO countries could not do a thing without daddy. Too bad they did not spend a bit more on the military over the years.

Then we had Libya. Again NATO could not act without the US first expending 400 cruise missiles and taking out their anti aircraft defenses.

And anywhere NATO did go in the forces were 80-90% American.

So the poor little European countries can not and could not handle three things in their own back yard: Ukraine, Kosovo, and Libya. Then we have to recall that we were involved in two European world wars because you could not handle your own affairs.

Yes, I really feel sorry for you poor little cowardly Europeans as I now refer to you.

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Mar 3, 2014 22:14:26   #
bertloomis Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Please see above.

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Mar 3, 2014 22:18:02   #
manderson Loc: Northeast Nebraska
 
Spindrift62 wrote:
Great Britain and The United States of America have for years had what the politicians and media called a 'Special Relationship' whereby in the event of any world shattering incident our Prime Minister and the U.S. President would confer immediately. However since our Parliament, for once listening to the voters, decided not to slavishly back Obama's 'line in the sand' over Syria, it would appear that the Special Relationship is no more and that France is now the USA's best friend (Well good luck with that then). I will be interested to see how the unrest in the Ukraine pans out now that America is once more 'speaking for the rest of the world' and to see if we are now totally divorced. If we are we will not be contesting custody of Piers Morgan.
Great Britain and The United States of America hav... (show quote)


Unfortunately, whatever Obama says will not mean much on the world stage. He has lost his credibility here and abroad. Putin really has no use for Obama and is not the least bit worried about what he thinks or says. If you watch his speeches on Russia and the Ukraine, it is impressive. But that is how he got elected. He talks tough, but has no backbone. Obama won't do anything until he sees which way the wind is blowing. He definately won't take a stand on his own. I don't think Obama should stand up and say anything unless he is willing to back it up, which everyone knows he won't. What I expect is he will talk and then run to other countries trying to get them to back him up. I do think this is just the beginning of Putin's attempt to rebuild the USSR. It does have similarities to Hitler in Austria, protect ethnic Germans, same in Poland. I do believe that if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

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Mar 3, 2014 22:20:17   #
Rabbott Loc: Grass Valley , California
 
Obama is so embarassing,,, i just know, all the other world leaders, are laughing their asses off at him.
manderson wrote:
Unfortunately, whatever Obama says will not mean much on the world stage. He has lost his credibility here and abroad. Putin really has no use for Obama and is not the least bit worried about what he thinks or says. If you watch his speeches on Russia and the Ukraine, it is impressive. But that is how he got elected. He talks tough, but has no backbone. Obama won't do anything until he sees which way the wind is blowing. He definately won't take a stand on his own. I don't think Obama should stand up and say anything unless he is willing to back it up, which everyone knows he won't. What I expect is he will talk and then run to other countries trying to get them to back him up. I do think this is just the beginning of Putin's attempt to rebuild the USSR. It does have similarities to Hitler in Austria, protect ethnic Germans, same in Poland. I do believe that if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.
Unfortunately, whatever Obama says will not mean m... (show quote)

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Mar 4, 2014 00:44:49   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
jvo wrote:
is it really that simple? france may not jump when we say so, but they have been our friends and allies - remember 1776, the statue of liberty, their response on 9/11 - no maybe not unquestioned obedience, but certainly a friend... and one who will tell a friend when they think we're not living up to our ideals!


After the war of independence, France did not see it important to include the US in the post war negotiations with England. Thank Ben Franklin, Adams & Jefferson for some brilliant moves to get a place for us in those meetings. Read John Adams… it is a spectacular read and an insight into the whole conflict. A prolific writer, his letters to his wife and to his friend Jefferson, Franklin and various others, including details first hand on his story before during and after the war. It is a great read. ( Martha Washington saw fit to burn all Washington's letters that she had- what a loss)

You'll see that we were the enemy of their enemy- not much more then that. Things have changed little since then in there regard to us. We could't have done it without them, but their contribution was not out of any empathy toward us. We have twice repaid any debt incurred.

France and we are friends, but not family like we are with England, and Canada. Like all family members, we squabble with each other, may even trade jabs… but no one else can lay a finger without us squaring up together.

I am afraid you may not be able to depend on the current administration as you have all others in the past… but then the brilliance of our forefathers will see an end to his amateur hour mess in a just a few years.

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Mar 4, 2014 03:45:21   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
dave sproul wrote:
We, the USA as a nation, have only been around been around for a couple of hundred years; where as several other nations have been around for many more years and some others are just starting.

It also seems that the various paths, meandering, and pathologies that humans experience during their lives; nations seem to, in some part, experience.

Applying an analogy of national maturity to human maturity lead me to the following:

IF you equate the national timelines to the timelines of a human life, THEN it seems the USA is still in the adolescent stage of life where some nations have made it to a more mature stage and other nations are in their infancy.

Just a thought and this idea is not totally flushed out, but maybe it will provide some food for thought and dialog.
We, the USA as a nation, have only been around bee... (show quote)

Perhaps some may be in advanced stages of old age too

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Mar 4, 2014 06:42:24   #
Spindrift62 Loc: Dorset, England. U.K.
 
Canonuser wrote:
Perhaps some may be in advanced stages of old age too


You are probably quite right, history teaches that all 'Super Powers' eventually decline. Greece, Italy, Spain, France, Britain etc. were all world super powers at one time but have now been superseded by Russia, China and the USA. My own view of Great Britain is that we are on the downward spiral, which is a position that seems to be recognised by the majority of Brits but not the current politicians (of all parties). This was affirmed by the groundswell of feeling here regarding not getting us involved in Syria. The 'Special Relationship' would appear to be undamaged between the populations of our respective nations but somewhat dented between our politicians.
We are currently installing wind farms all over in an attempt to move Britain by wind power so that Piers Morgan wont be able to find us, so there!

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Mar 4, 2014 08:37:52   #
RD42 Loc: Suffolk UK
 
bertloomis wrote:
It seems everytime something goes wrong in the world many countries look to us to be the policeman and clean it up. The Syrian rebels clearly wanted our help early on.

I am glad that we are no longer doing this. I approve of Obama's foreign policy of minding our own business.

Of course, NATO is quite close to Ukraine but I note that no one called for NATO to step in. The question is always, "What will the US do?"

I clearly remember the slaughter in Kosovo when NATO would not go in unless the US led the way. I also remember Margaret Thatcher claiming that NATO could not go in alone because they lacked the sophisticated weapons the US had. For me this was horrible. The poor little NATO countries could not do a thing without daddy. Too bad they did not spend a bit more on the military over the years.

Then we had Libya. Again NATO could not act without the US first expending 400 cruise missiles and taking out their anti aircraft defenses.

And anywhere NATO did go in the forces were 80-90% American.

So the poor little European countries can not and could not handle three things in their own back yard: Ukraine, Kosovo, and Libya. Then we have to recall that we were involved in two European world wars because you could not handle your own affairs.

Yes, I really feel sorry for you poor little cowardly Europeans as I now refer to you.
It seems everytime something goes wrong in the wor... (show quote)


Hello Bert Thanks for the eloquent sympathy it is most gratifying to hear, but do really try hard not to feel too sorry for us here just to clear up a few points
Poor - well maybe as there is a financial crisis on at the minute which we understand even touches the US
Little - Are you referring to the average persons height here or the population of the EC which is circa 380 million souls?
Cowardly - tough one this, seem to recall your General Patton had a particular way with cowards but that is ok as it turned out the coward was in fact an American -so the privilege of being a coward is not entirely the province of us Europeans
To be fair I have only met 4 Americans in my life and they were outstanding individuals
Have a nice day

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