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Feb 11, 2014 05:49:31   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
KW Conch wrote:
If memory serves me right, Obama signed the Bush tax cuts into law on a permanent basis. What do you mean that he wants more ?
By the way, the Bush tax cuts were supposed to allow the "job creators" to hire more workers. They have sat on their money and done nothing about hiring. The recession started under Bush, so don't try to blame the ACA.


It started under Bush with a Democratic congress. Who was in charge here?

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Feb 11, 2014 05:59:12   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
KW Conch wrote:
From what I see the unemployment rate has fallen in the last few years, despite the Republicans attempts to block every move Obama tries to improve the situation. Such as the bill that Obama attempted to pass to provide returning veterans with training for existing open jobs. Republicans shot it down. No surprise, it didn't contain more tax cuts for the rich.


Government unemployment statistics apply to those people drawing unemployment benefits. Once their employment benefits expire and no longer on the roster they cease to be part of the statistics.
So, how many people eligible for work are REALLY unemployed, including those not on the unemployment rolls?

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Feb 11, 2014 08:59:21   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
KW Conch wrote:
Amazing amount of twisting logic. Unemployment figures come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They are released from the same place regardless of the party of the President. I don't think that either one of us would be living in luxury on welfare. By the way, I think that welfare should only be available for a short period of time. The problem is that we are still working our way out of the Bush recession and the " job creators" are not creating jobs, even though they were given tax cuts for that reason. Also, corporations are sitting on mountains of cash and won't hire because technology allows them to get the same amount of work from fewer employees. It would be the same regardless of who the president happened to be.
Amazing amount of twisting logic. Unemployment fig... (show quote)

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To you, the TRUTH is TWISTED LOGIC?

This method of counting unemployment did start under Clinton.

DON'T try to generalize a the government manipulation of unemployment date that attempt to make any administration look good.

Than to fit your political agenda, YOU only cite one administration. ALL three are guilty.

You complain about the "job creators" but say nothing about the "stimulus monies" and " green projects" that have been promoted and billions have been squandered.

Most of these " green" projects had their monies spent on BO cronies or just plain wasted.

If YOU, who claim to be such a brilliant economist were to read and understand the philosophies of CLOWER & PIVEN,
YOU TOO would understand the HOAX being perpetrated on our economy and country.

Step outside the box, Your agenda is blinding your vision and thought process.

Of course you may agree the Clower and Piven philosophy and in that case, Your desire to destroy this country is equal to theirs.

Why is your personal hatred for Bush so all encompassing ?

You're like a jilted lover or was it unrequited love?

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Feb 11, 2014 16:17:59   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
rayford2 wrote:
It started under Bush with a Democratic congress. Who was in charge here?


Bush could either sign or veto a bill.

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Feb 11, 2014 16:19:16   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
rayford2 wrote:
Government unemployment statistics apply to those people drawing unemployment benefits. Once their employment benefits expire and no longer on the roster they cease to be part of the statistics.
So, how many people eligible for work are REALLY unemployed, including those not on the unemployment rolls?


That is true, but the method of counting unemployment claims is the same as it was under past presidents.

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Feb 11, 2014 16:27:10   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
nafplyr wrote:
I think it would be swweeeet,if they would concentrate on educating our kids so they can function and get a job in today's market.
Leave it to the parents to decide their nutrition.
When did it become ok for the school system to take on the role of parents.

Unfortunately, since some parents stoped doing it themselves. My daughter is a teacher and you'd be suprised how many kids start school in nappies, (or diapers as americans call them).

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Feb 11, 2014 16:32:04   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
bvm wrote:
________________________________________________

To you, the TRUTH is TWISTED LOGIC?

This method of counting unemployment did start under Clinton.

DON'T try to generalize a the government manipulation of unemployment date that attempt to make any administration look good.

Than to fit your political agenda, YOU only cite one administration. ALL three are guilty.

You complain about the "job creators" but say nothing about the "stimulus monies" and " green projects" that have been promoted and billions have been squandered.

Most of these " green" projects had their monies spent on BO cronies or just plain wasted.

If YOU, who claim to be such a brilliant economist were to read and understand the philosophies of CLOWER & PIVEN,
YOU TOO would understand the HOAX being perpetrated on our economy and country.

Step outside the box, Your agenda is blinding your vision and thought process.

Of course you may agree the Clower and Piven philosophy and in that case, Your desire to destroy this country is equal to theirs.

Why is your personal hatred for Bush so all encompassing ?

You're like a jilted lover or was it unrequited love?
________________________________________________ b... (show quote)


bvm, first of all, I would like to see you provide some backup for the opinions that you post.
Second, I never heard of Clower and Piven. Who are they ?
Third, why would I want to destroy the country ? America has been very good to me. I love this country. I am a Navy veteran. I hate to see the simplistic "one size fits all" non solutions that the extreme right wing is pushing. If they get their way, I don't think you will be very happy. No extremist group is ever successful over the long haul.
Fourth, I don't hate Bush. I just think he was a terrible president that hurt this country very badly. I voted for him in 2000 and it was a huge mistake. If Bush, who had a 23% approval record when he left office, hadn't been so bad, Obama never would have been elected. Bush wrecked the economy and took us into Iraq to avenge the attempted assassination of his daddy by Saddam.

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Feb 11, 2014 16:42:01   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
KW Conch wrote:
bvm, first of all, I would like to see you provide some backup for the opinions that you post.
Second, I never heard of Clower and Piven. Who are they ?
Third, why would I want to destroy the country ? America has been very good to me. I love this country. I am a Navy veteran. I hate to see the simplistic "one size fits all" non solutions that the extreme right wing is pushing. If they get their way, I don't think you will be very happy. No extremist group is ever successful over the long haul.
Fourth, I don't hate Bush. I just think he was a terrible president that hurt this country very badly. I voted for him in 2000 and it was a huge mistake. If Bush, who had a 23% approval record when he left office, hadn't been so bad, Obama never would have been elected. Bush wrecked the economy and took us into Iraq to avenge the attempted assassination of his daddy by Saddam.
bvm, first of all, I would like to see you provide... (show quote)


have to correct you (kw) lol one size fits all is the military way. an 60 minutes did and interview with dick cheney, earlier this year. she asked him do you realize your lowest poll was at 13%? he said no, i knew it was low but did not know it was that low.

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Feb 11, 2014 17:03:03   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
dirtpusher wrote:
have to correct you (kw) lol one size fits all is the military way. an 60 minutes did and interview with dick cheney, earlier this year. she asked him do you realize your lowest poll was at 13%? he said no, i knew it was low but did not know it was that low.


The trouble is that Cheney didn't care what his poll rating was.
He pulled the strings behind the scenes on Bush too.

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Feb 11, 2014 17:12:28   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
KW Conch wrote:
The trouble is that Cheney didn't care what his poll rating was.
He pulled the strings behind the scenes on Bush too.


yupper Xactly :!:

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Feb 11, 2014 17:19:05   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
KW Conch wrote:
Bush could either sign or veto a bill.




Wrong, it was Clinton!

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Feb 11, 2014 17:27:46   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
bvm wrote:
Wrong, it was Clinton!


yupperzzz :!:

your thinking line item.

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Feb 11, 2014 17:57:17   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
dirtpusher wrote:
yupperzzz :!:

your thinking line item.


No president has ever gotten the right to use a line item veto

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Feb 11, 2014 19:26:38   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
bvm wrote:
No president has ever gotten the right to use a line item veto


wow where you been. you must not be very old. clinton was the last one to use it.

The line item veto law was signed on April 9, 1996, and took effect on Jan. 1, 1997. It allows the President, within five days of signing a bill into law, to reject particular spending items or tax breaks. Congress can repass them as separate measures. He can then veto them again, and Congress can override his veto only if it musters a two-thirds majority.

Mr. Clinton has used the power to strike 82 items from 11 laws. In the process, he has infuriated many members of Congress, including some who support the device in principle.

The Federal budget deficit, which hit a high of $290 billion in 1992, has now been almost eliminated. Line item vetoes made a small contribution. Mr. Clinton said they had saved taxpayers more than $1 billion to date.

''Although I am disappointed with today's ruling,'' Mr. Clinton said, ''it is my belief that ultimately the line item veto will be ruled constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.''

Barry Toiv, a White House spokesman, said: ''The ruling does not enjoin us from continuing to use the line item veto. The President remains ready to use it under appropriate circumstances.''

Over the last 65 years, Congress has delegated vast power to the President and Federal agencies. But Judge Hogan said today that Congress had gone too far with the Line Item Veto Act, which he described as an ''unauthorized surrender to the President of an inherently legislative function, namely, the authority to permanently shape laws and package legislation.''

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Feb 11, 2014 19:43:49   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
dirtpusher wrote:
wow where you been. you must not be very old. clinton was the last one to use it.

The line item veto law was signed on April 9, 1996, and took effect on Jan. 1, 1997. It allows the President, within five days of signing a bill into law, to reject particular spending items or tax breaks. Congress can repass them as separate measures. He can then veto them again, and Congress can override his veto only if it musters a two-thirds majority.

Mr. Clinton has used the power to strike 82 items from 11 laws. In the process, he has infuriated many members of Congress, including some who support the device in principle.

The Federal budget deficit, which hit a high of $290 billion in 1992, has now been almost eliminated. Line item vetoes made a small contribution. Mr. Clinton said they had saved taxpayers more than $1 billion to date.

''Although I am disappointed with today's ruling,'' Mr. Clinton said, ''it is my belief that ultimately the line item veto will be ruled constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.''

Barry Toiv, a White House spokesman, said: ''The ruling does not enjoin us from continuing to use the line item veto. The President remains ready to use it under appropriate circumstances.''

Over the last 65 years, Congress has delegated vast power to the President and Federal agencies. But Judge Hogan said today that Congress had gone too far with the Line Item Veto Act, which he described as an ''unauthorized surrender to the President of an inherently legislative function, namely, the authority to permanently shape laws and package legislation.''
wow where you been. you must not be very old. clin... (show quote)


Thank you, I stand corrected.

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