Joe,
Regarding police stopping you at the end of shift and having itchy trigger fingers, I doubt it was ever true. I worked with a few strange cops over the years but nobody that stressed out nor anybody eager to shoot anyone ever. Most of us spoke of how stressful and terrible it would be to actually have to take someone's life. It would never be an easy choice and one to live with for the rest of a lifetime.
Dennis
dennis2146 wrote:
Dave,
Great point. The reason cars aren't on the ban list is because only guns are looked upon in America as if they have a mind of their own. Cars, screwdrivers, hammers, hatchets, cans of gasoline and a match, basically any other type of weapon is looked upon as a tool and the person wielding that tool is to be held accountable for their actions. But when a firearm is used Liberals somehow think the firearm forced the person to commit the bad deed. I know of a number of murders committed with motor vehicles, hammers, knives, hatchets, poison, a frying pan and so forth. (It helps to get to know convicted murderers). Society doesn't ban any of these things. Liberals think if all firearms (even the good ones that don't have evil thoughts) should be taken off the face of the earth then all crime would stop. Go figure, huh.
For any of you who would have shot the scary guy coming at them in a dark alley give some thought to: It is Halloween and he is coming from/going to a party. He just likes to dress to look scary (anyone been to San Francisco lately). Unless he is posing a clear and present threat to you then you can't do anything even if he does not heed your warning to back off. He has as much right to be in the dark alley as you do. Maybe he is deaf. Maybe being chased by a vicious dog. See my point.
Dennis
Dave, br br Great point. The reason cars aren't ... (
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How many of your soldier drive Ford Mustang Semi automatics with sighting scopes?? in Afghanistan
Comparing a weapon designed to cause damage with an everyday object like a car designed for transportation is a no brainer... and in my opinion a desperate attempt to justify weapons
Using a car as a weapon is not what it was designed for..
The threat of serious crime against a person is a justification.
dennis2146 wrote:
Joe,
Regarding police stopping you at the end of shift and having itchy trigger fingers, I doubt it was ever true. I worked with a few strange cops over the years but nobody that stressed out nor anybody eager to shoot anyone ever. Most of us spoke of how stressful and terrible it would be to actually have to take someone's life. It would never be an easy choice and one to live with for the rest of a lifetime.
Dennis
Thanks for clarifying that for me Dennis, it seemed worrying at the time..
Regards
Joe
Ka2azman wrote:
Quote: "Until the full facts come out at the trial it is only assumption.."
Why the assumptions. Doesn't 'assume"ing make an A$$ out of u and ME as the old saying goes. - I don't have an opinion on this case. I am letting the courts handle it.
What I don't like are the assumption that are based upon rumors. The same happened in the Zimmerman case. Oh he guilty of shooting an unarmed man - he's guilty - his guilty was pread all over this site as well as internet and newspapers., etc. He was guilty till the jury said NOT GUILTY. All those assumptions and opinions based on rumors proved to be false. But how quickly they were forgotten of how wrong those that were accusing Zimmerman and making up scenarios of how it happened.
I see this as the same thing. I see all those who are either make up rumors and those who pass them along as little minds.
Quote: Great minds discuss ideas;
average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt
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Love that quote..... Wise woman,,, Must have had a teddy bear of a husband
Joe,
The Teddy Bear was a cousin. Franklin D. was the husband.
Eleanor loved the USMC too. Bless her heart.
Dennis
JoboX wrote:
Who wishes this on you ....
we use our laws as comparatives and as being an exact opposite in this case...
Your laws are your laws and set by you and your elective bodies..
We do have Gun crime but not in theatres where people go to escape the mundane life.. We have that over here to..
Quote:"Who wishes this on you .... " you do
Quote: "we use our laws as comparatives and as being an exact opposite in this case... " Why the need for comparison if you didn't have an hidden agenda. This is in relationship to the first quote.
Quote: "We do have Gun crime but not in theatres where people go to escape the mundane life.." Just where do these event take place. Where is it that shootings go on? Is it only at places designated as "violent crimes here"? Or is it real life, violent crimes happen where ever the criminal is at the time. Even in a movie theater. After all criminal also like to escape the mundane life and I'm positive that they like movies. Oh and I'm sure they didn't leave their gun at home just to enter such a shrine as a movie theater.
I was going to search for movie theater shooting in Britain when I came across this.
BRITAIN: THE WORLDS WORST MASS MURDERER...or The Charles Manson of Nation States
http://worldsworstmassmurderer.blogspot.com/You might think you have civility cornered on your island, but you seem to be not so shining in that area on the global level.
Joe,
Firearms are used for many things, not necessarily as a weapon. It is simply a tool to be used to accomplish a task. I have a lot of firearms but only 1 is ever thought of as a weapon and it has never been used as such. The others are used for hunting, target shooting, plinking, home protection from 4 legged as well as 2 legged predators, investments and as pieces of art.
Dennis
JoboX wrote:
How many of your soldier drive Ford Mustang Semi automatics with sighting scopes?? in Afghanistan
Comparing a weapon designed to cause damage with an everyday object like a car designed for transportation is a no brainer... and in my opinion a desperate attempt to justify weapons
Using a car as a weapon is not what it was designed for..
The threat of serious crime against a person is a justification.
When the dude saw my 1911, dropped the tire iron.
For those reading this and don't know a 1911, it is a one hundred year old design.
JoboX wrote:
Just doing a bit of research
US 5 times the population of the UK
2010 8775 firearm murders US
2010 58 (290 equivalent) UK
30 times higher
21% of population will have a crime committed against them
26% of UK will have a crime committed against them
As previously stated the US covers a large area and I would assume sparsely populated
309,000,000 pop 960,000,000 Km sq
60,000,000 pop 244.000 Km sq
The UK in densely populated in comparison (crammed)
US 3934 times bigger than the UK
US 32 people per KM sq
against
UK 258 per Km sq
I would summise more people together in a smaller area would give rise to more opportunity for petty crime.
(I may get shot down for citing that one) excuse the pun
Looking at the facts it would seem to me the UK needs more land mass and the US... Well that's not for me to say..
Food for thought
Regards
Joe
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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Quote origin unknown, but frequently attributed to Mark Twain or British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.
The statistics you quoted are interesting, but so very incomplete. For example, what is the murder rate in each country by means other than guns? What geographic areas make up the bulk of the murders? What race is responsible for what percentage of gun deaths and what age group is responsible for what percentage?
What is the pertinence of the answers to these questions? If a certain ethnic group and/or a certain age group shows a significantly higher percentage of murders than the other groups, would you still say that guns are the problem, or would you say that there is something in the way that group has been raised, or how they think - for whatever reason - that makes them far more likely to kill or be killed with a gun?
I know it's not politically correct to bring this kind of thought to the forefront, but to not do so is the same as lying by omission. But if you are a politician who is trying to garner votes from a group, especially a group you've spent years gaining support from by giving handout after handout to them, the truth becomes an "inconvenient truth" and an expedient way of skirting the truth is by not telling all the facts.
Ka2azman wrote:
Quote:"Who wishes this on you .... " you do
Quote: "we use our laws as comparatives and as being an exact opposite in this case... " Why the need for comparison if you didn't have an hidden agenda. This is in relationship to the first quote.
Quote: "We do have Gun crime but not in theatres where people go to escape the mundane life.." Just where do these event take place. Where is it that shootings go on? Is it only at places designated as "violent crimes here"? Or is it real life, violent crimes happen where ever the criminal is at the time. Even in a movie theater. After all criminal also like to escape the mundane life and I'm positive that they like movies. Oh and I'm sure they didn't leave their gun at home just to enter such a shrine as a movie theater.
I was going to search for movie theater shooting in Britain when I came across this.
BRITAIN: THE WORLDS WORST MASS MURDERER...or The Charles Manson of Nation States
http://worldsworstmassmurderer.blogspot.com/You might think you have civility cornered on your island, but you seem to be not so shining in that area on the global level.
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It seems a bit vague with no balance against other nations... As a colonising country bringing in new diseases that indigenous inhabitants didn't have immune systems is desperate to prove a point... Linking the slave trade to this is just admitting the US played its part in this slaughter ...supply and demand. no demand no supply.. also economically the US built its cotton trade on slavery by US plantation owners.. This would in essence implicate the US in all the African atrocities .... so should read US / UK mass murderers.. if we were fair in attributing blame
We could go on... but Concentration camps we are very guilty of...
TucsonCoyote wrote:
Looks to me you are saying the arsehole with
the phone is now the one laughing!
Hard to do when you are in a grave it would seem to me !
If that is not what you meant then I would suggest you
read what you write before posting !
You obviously don't see the point of it all.
Underwaterant wrote:
I thought you had two ??
Just kidding.
I wish this thread would end.
Old Grey Beard wrote:
I wish this thread would end.
The thread will end when the subject matter has fully unraveled.
Ka2azman wrote:
Glad you were there to clarify things. Oh you gleaned this from what you heard; and are continuing the rumor. Instead of passing around misinformation, how about letting the judicial system in our country work first. After all the police and the prosecution and the defense team will have much more accurate and direct information, other than rumor mill to go on.
Hope your a fiction writer, because it is fictional story you wrote.
From what you write you are thinking of me I'd say you are the fiction writer pal. The popcorn facts are out there and I'm not dissing gun ownership--but what you need to realize is that some of us with guns really shouldn't have them. How do you tell who's who?---dammed if I know but I'm sure some lib will tell us.
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