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Jan 13, 2014 15:55:10   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
Searcher wrote:
I would actually ignore the question, not because it is not worthy of an answer, but because I have no experience of either camera mentioned and any response I gave would be meaningless. I would also put the thread into my Watched topics list, and if in a day or two no others had responded, I would ask some RELEVANT questions of the OP, his answers should usually generate a positive response from those who do know the cameras and their limitations.

I do not see the point of having a go at anybody who sincerely wants an answer to their question. Not everybody is fluent in communication skills, not everybody has English as their first language, not everybody can make expensive decisions based on misunderstood web pages.

I have in the past asked one or two questions which I thought would have no rational answers. In more than one instance I have been pleasantly surprised to find that someone, somewhere has been there before, and knew the answers.

There is absolutely no need for rudeness or John Blunt (Go away and Research) answers especially to newcomers. Many of those are nervous of making a first post, there is no call to increase that nervousness.

I never disliked JR1, but I did dislike some of his responses to questions such as the one posed above.
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Jan 13, 2014 16:01:51   #
greg vescuso Loc: Ozark,Mo.
 
Luggerbugs wrote:
I totally agree with Jerry.

And the other irritant in the same vein is "This has been discussed many times here. A simple search will give you more then enough information." Is that really helpful? I've often tried using the search engine but it's rare that I find exactly what I'm looking for because the original question and corresponding answers probably met the OP's specific question but not mine. Most responders are genuinely helpful but "use search" is not. JMHO
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Agreed if you know the subject was discussed before and you know where the link is explaining it, a simple here is a link that will explain this for you. Would be so much nicer than a rude comment.

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Jan 13, 2014 16:42:57   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." How many times have we seen someone post that comment here, encouraging members to ask questions even though they are afraid that others will poke fun at them?

Yet, day after day, I see people making rude comments to questioners because - well, because they have a question. They imply that because someone has a particular type of tripod, camera, or lens that he should know all about it. When he asks a simple question, people ridicule him for his lack of knowledge. "Why did you get something like that if you don't know how to use it? Are you trying to impress someone? More money than brains?"

This is a great place to get information, but if people are turned away by senseless, rude comments, they won't learn from us, and we'll miss the opportunity to learn form them.
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I totally agree. I was a professional training specialist for over 40 years. The only dumb question was always considered the question that wasn't asked. People, as myself, joined the UHH to learn some things we don't know about photography. My membership has been fruitful in many ways, learning things I didn't know. There is much knowledge to be gleaned from the UHH. However, I have not learned anything of use from senseless, rude remarks. From my own perspective, when I ask a question, I expect answers that pertain to the question. I think that is true of most members who ask questions or for advice. Those who ask for advice or ask questions range from newbies to professionals. It doesn't matter what the expertise, they expect and deserve a decent answer, even if it is only a partial answer, a tip, or a complete tutorial as long as it deals with the question. A rude or senseless answer only serves to upset the asker or even turn the tide of their hobby, past time, or professional career. Just answer their question and stay away from the rude remarks. Have GREAT DAY!

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Jan 13, 2014 17:02:14   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." How many times have we seen someone post that comment here, encouraging members to ask questions even though they are afraid that others will poke fun at them?

Yet, day after day, I see people making rude comments to questioners because - well, because they have a question. They imply that because someone has a particular type of tripod, camera, or lens that he should know all about it. When he asks a simple question, people ridicule him for his lack of knowledge. "Why did you get something like that if you don't know how to use it? Are you trying to impress someone? More money than brains?"

This is a great place to get information, but if people are turned away by senseless, rude comments, they won't learn from us, and we'll miss the opportunity to learn form them.
"The only stupid question is the one you don'... (show quote)

If someone absolutely has to respond in a rude way to some of these questions, go ahead and write it out. But then close the window instead of pressing Send.

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Jan 13, 2014 17:09:16   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
I recently looked at the list of members: just over 100 (including JR1 so who knows the true current numbers)

As learning is never achieved in isolation, we should be trying harder to make everyone feel wanted and respected.

We seem to have a worldwide audience both gender and ethnically balanced.

The majority of members seem to be 'of an age' that was taught manners and politeness. Perhaps because we do not see the people we interact with we feel that we can sometimes forget these. (or are we forgetting everything)

We shouldn't need policing but maybe a little nudge now and again should be used.

When I struggled making conversation (selling) by phone I was told to imagine the person I was talking to was sat opposite with a welcoming smile on their face. Would it help if our avaters were our smiling faces? (I might have to borrow one)

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Jan 13, 2014 17:17:29   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
G Brown wrote:
I recently looked at the list of members: just over 100 (including JR1 so who knows the true current numbers)

As learning is never achieved in isolation, we should be trying harder to make everyone feel wanted and respected.

We seem to have a worldwide audience both gender and ethnically balanced.

The majority of members seem to be 'of an age' that was taught manners and politeness. Perhaps because we do not see the people we interact with we feel that we can sometimes forget these. (or are we forgetting everything)

We shouldn't need policing but maybe a little nudge now and again should be used.

When I struggled making conversation (selling) by phone I was told to imagine the person I was talking to was sat opposite with a welcoming smile on their face. Would it help if our avaters were our smiling faces? (I might have to borrow one)
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I believe the registered membership is running at 41,777 at present, less those who have left (once in - there is no escape) plus the unregistered lurkers.

I did a course in telesales and the first rule was to stand or sit up straight with a smile on my face.

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Jan 13, 2014 17:37:07   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
amehta wrote:
If someone absolutely has to respond in a rude way to some of these questions, go ahead and write it out. But then close the window instead of pressing Send.


Amehta, I agree(1st this week for me), that's a great idea.
But then, how would we know who the rude, thoughtless or stupid ones are?
As for me, I'm half way through my twelve step program, and I think it's helping, or maybe it's just my own twisted perception! :lol:
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Jan 13, 2014 17:43:49   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Amehta, I agree(1st this week for me), that's a great idea.
But then, how would we know who the rude, thoughtless or stupid ones are?
As for me, I'm half way through my twelve step program, and I think it's helping, or maybe it's just my own twisted perception! :lol:
SS

If they don't say anything, I don't care who they are. :-)

One other issue would be to be especially careful about being rude to new members. The amount of tact needed with people who have been around a while can be different. Still needed, but perhaps not at the same level.

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Jan 13, 2014 17:53:20   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
amehta wrote:
If they don't say anything, I don't care who they are. :-)

One other issue would be to be especially careful about being rude to new members. The amount of tact needed with people who have been around a while can be different. Still needed, but perhaps not at the same level.


Amehta, your pretty new here, so as I make this reply, I'm wearing my kid gloves! :lol:
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Jan 13, 2014 18:05:33   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Amehta, your pretty new here, so as I make this reply, I'm wearing my kid gloves! :lol:
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It's about time! Thank you. ;-)

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Jan 13, 2014 20:06:36   #
MsLala Loc: Kingston, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." How many times have we seen someone post that comment here, encouraging members to ask questions even though they are afraid that others will poke fun at them?

Yet, day after day, I see people making rude comments to questioners because - well, because they have a question. They imply that because someone has a particular type of tripod, camera, or lens that he should know all about it. When he asks a simple question, people ridicule him for his lack of knowledge. "Why did you get something like that if you don't know how to use it? Are you trying to impress someone? More money than brains?"

This is a great place to get information, but if people are turned away by senseless, rude comments, they won't learn from us, and we'll miss the opportunity to learn form them.
"The only stupid question is the one you don'... (show quote)


Jerry, I really appreciate you bringing this topic up. I'm fairly new here and I watched from the sidelines for about a month prior to joining. While I was lurking I marveled at the forum and how polite the majority were and wished I could respond or ask a question, so I joined. It took some time to build up the courage to just introduce myself, but it finally did. I met some very nice members through that first post. But, since then I have not asked a question, yes because I'm afraid it's dumb or been asked before. I saw how others were ripped apart, I remember the wedding post too. I was embarrassed in how this person was treated. True, she really needed more experience, but that wasn't going to dig her out of the hole she dug for herself. Straightforward and polite responses would have been more appropriate than what she walked into. I still don't know if I'll ask a question any time soon even though at least once a day I have many I could post. I'm hesitant because of how posts get twisted and turned around and the original poster is forgotten. I hope to see a change soon because I want to enjoy my time on the Hog, not get ripped to shreds.
Thanks again Jerry, this was much appreciated.
Laura

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Jan 13, 2014 20:46:24   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
I believe that a guy asking his wife if she has been putting on weight lately may qualify as a stupid question.

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Jan 13, 2014 22:41:07   #
Cattreasure
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Jerry, maybe you have not noticed, but that statement is NOT alive and well here on the Hog. Jerry, many don't realize that the Hog is not really a forum, it's a very big aquarium, and it's filled with sharks. The sharks need to be fed with regularity. If you ask the right question at the wrong time, or don't word it just so, the sharks whip themselves into a tornado off a feeding frenzy, they eat the OP alive and don't stop untill they have run the poster clean out of the Internet!
I witnesse it most recently when a young lady asked the, "need help with shooting a wedding", question. Yes, many of the sharks on the Hog, including some of the biggest, mobilized into a frenzy and destroyed that poor girl in only a few pages. They are in fact still circling, some patting themselves on the back, others still justifying their frenzy, 20+ pages later!

That scene could have been the Hogs crowning moment. They could have investigated the OPs experience, their equipment, guided to the proper uTubes for examples of what and how to shoot, and pointed to the types of gear to be rented to do a proper wedding shoot. And let the OP decide for themselves if the are up for the task.
Instead "the once in a lifetime event", continuses to be the realm of rocket scientists equipped with cameras.

The truth is, many weddings are shot by 20's something girls using Rebels, and in 10 years they will be high-end pros with top of the line equipment shooting big church weddings. I have them in my classes every day.

Jerry, thanks for the opportunity. After all, "I need help shooting a wedding", is the stupidest question that can be asked here on the Hog. Heaven help the next young girl that asks that question. ;-)
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Jan 13, 2014 22:48:24   #
Glider Loc: Austin
 
We are all ignorant, just on different subjects. But questions like "What camera should I buy" are a waste of effort. Too many variables, too many unanswered possibilities. Instead bring a problem, such as "I need a really wide angle to cover...and low light is important. How can I solve these issues? Currently I have a...Can I get there from here and if so, how do I do that?"

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Jan 14, 2014 00:29:13   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
jrb1213 wrote:
I think "What camera should I buy?" Should have a canned first response. It should include questions of budget, what do you use it for, experience, understanding terms, whether or not children will use it, and more stuff like that. Many people don't know what questions to ask, this gets them to understand the way to choose a camera.

We have a thread covering this subject active now. Somebody suggested a series of qualifying come-back questions and is getting shredded for having done so. I'm sure we have two types of people here: Helpers and Hypocrites!

BTW, those criticizing rpavich's response, notice the smiley face; it was obviously made tongue-in-cheek. Please don't be so serious and judgmental.

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