jpanar Loc: Reston, VA

What were your settings, format, time between shots and camera position?

jpanar Loc: Reston, VA

I bought a Canon 5d MKiii. It does everything very well. In particular, the autofocus system is the best in the business and the extreme ISO range with excellent noise control is fantastic. The video is so good, it's being used for a lot of film and tv production.

Reddog Loc: Southern Calif

We all knew M.T. Shooter was biased towards Nikon and Sigma lens but he did impart a lot of knowledge. I feel bad he ruined his image with this obviously skewed comparison. I hope he continues to give advice and leaves the testing to impartial parties. I believe he runs an honest business but steers his customers towards Nikon which is his right! Why else would his shop sell Nikons over Canons at a 15-1 Ratio. That is not the norm! Thank you M.T. shooter for a lot of good advice to a lot of us, but lets leave the testing to the pros.

MT Shooter Loc: Montana

Thats pretty much the entire point isn't it? At point did I ever present a "test", theCanon fanboys read it that way and proceeded to attack me. My original post clearly stated it was a comparative shoot for the edification of one UHH member who asked me to do it because I had both cameras available. I have offrered my assistance here for wrll over 2 years and will continue to do so when asked. At no time have I ever claimed to be a testing lab, thats for places like DXO mark who have that expertise. I am simply a lowly photographer with over 40 years in the field who loves the artform and does not mind helping those who ask me for it.
As for why do I sell Canons alongside Nikons? They make some good cameras and there are still some people who want to rent them. Do I shoot Canons? On occasion yes, but only the 6D, none of their other offerings have impressed me much, and its my PERSONAL opinion that their lenses are terribly over priced for the most part. I used to shoot Nikon primarily for the quality of their lenses. Now I am glad I own those lenses as well as the finest bodies available to use them on. I am an ex Canon shooter who switched and never looked back, nor ever had the slightest hint of regret for switching.
For those shooting Canon, Pentax, Sony, Olympus or anything else, enjoy what you have and make the best images you can with it. Their is no WRONG gear so long as you enjoy it and its results.
Happy shooting.
Oh, and next month I will have a nice 5D Mk2 for sale! :thumbup:

RussJump Loc: Central Point,Or

demarlow you are right on it looks like the sun is seting on the canon shot! and on the Nikon it looks like its shot about 2 o'clock. This is not a good test!!!

RussJump Loc: Central Point,Or

yes yes and yes

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

Read his last post - you guys have made it into something it was not intended to be.

MsLala Loc: Kingston, NY

As usual!

demarlow Loc: Broken Arrow, Ok

I was not trying to turn the conversation. Simply pointing out that to do a fair and valid comparison, you have to make all fields equal. That was not done. For what purpose I don't know and I did not assume or imply anything. As for the war between Canon and Nikon, lean perhaps a bit toward Canon. Only because that is what I cut my teeth on and all my glass is Canon. I see great things in Nikon and Canon. If someone, anyone, does a comparison, do it fairly and without bias. It taints your image if you don't. Simply the facts.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

MT is right.

He made a comparison with absolutely no validity as a "test." He was not doing a “test.” It was a comparison, like “apples” and “oranges.”

Why anyone would want that comparison is a mystery to me, but apparently someone asked him to make this useless comparison.

Let's move on.

Reddog Loc: Southern Calif

No! You don't compare apples and Oranges, thats the whole point!!!

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Exactlly!

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

You sure as heck can - same as you compare Chevy Silverado to a Ford Fusion, a mechanical pencil to a wooden one, a laptop to a tablet

I agree, if you are going to do a laboratory type test, then all conditions must be equal. But, for a "do I like ...", then whatever suits your fancy - just like the constant advice - "Go to a camera store and hold different bodies...."

As MT said several times he did a comparison not a comparative test.

lowkick Loc: Connecticut

MT Shooter wrote:
Thats pretty much the entire point isn't it? At point did I ever present a "test", theCanon fanboys read it that way and proceeded to attack me. My original post clearly stated it was a comparative shoot for the edification of one UHH member who asked me to do it because I had both cameras available. I have offrered my assistance here for wrll over 2 years and will continue to do so when asked.

First, I am not a Canon "fanboy". The reason I shoot Canons (aside from being able to say that I shoot cannons) is because my first SLR was a Canon FTB QL, circa 1970. Then I bought an A-1. Why did I buy those over Nikon? I can't remember my reasoning fro 40 years ago, but I was happy with the Canon and, when it came time to invest more money in equipment, I invested it in Canon because I was happy with both its performance and reliability. I have never spoken negatively about Nikon. I know Nikon is top grade equipment and, when you weigh test results with features, reliability and personal preferences of functionality, they are pretty equal. It comes down not to which is better, but to which do I like better? My bone of contention with your "comparison" is not because it made Nikon look better than Canon, but because you made one brand look better than another in a "comparison" that was rigged to do so. The fact that you allegedly have so much experience makes your methodology much more suspect. Your stated results, especially pointing out the reddish tinge to the Canon photo when you knew that the two shots were taken hours apart and the Canon shot was taken not long before dusk (thus accounting for the reddish coloring), makes your whole comparison null and void, and your purpose for creating a misleading comparison look quite shady.

It also makes all of your rhetoric and mea culpas (below) sound like you are in CYA mode after getting caught.

MT Shooter wrote:
At no time have I ever claimed to be a testing lab, thats for places like DXO mark who have that expertise. I am simply a lowly photographer with over 40 years in the field who loves the artform and does not mind helping those who ask me for it.
As for why do I sell Canons alongside Nikons? They make some good cameras and there are still some people who want to rent them. Do I shoot Canons? On occasion yes, but only the 6D, none of their other offerings have impressed me much, and its my PERSONAL opinion that their lenses are terribly over priced for the most part. I used to shoot Nikon primarily for the quality of their lenses. Now I am glad I own those lenses as well as the finest bodies available to use them on. I am an ex Canon shooter who switched and never looked back, nor ever had the slightest hint of regret for switching.
For those shooting Canon, Pentax, Sony, Olympus or anything else, enjoy what you have and make the best images you can with it. Their is no WRONG gear so long as you enjoy it and its results.

Right now, I would suggest that you owe an apology to the UHH members, but I doubt that will happen. So my next suggestion is that you stop trying to dig your way out of it because you are just digging a deeper hole. Stop trying to defend yourself. Let it die and become, eventually, forgotten.

MT Shooter Loc: Montana

I would venture to guarantee I will be here long after your crybaby postings are forgotten. Now go home little boy, you have lost the fight you started. mommy is calling! :P