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Dec 20, 2013 09:13:10   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
johneccles wrote:
Hi Joer, there are other excellent makes you could consider!


Of course. There are few mediocre, if any at all DSLRs today. The entry level cameras today are better than the pro cameras of years ago.

I used to be a Canikon, Now I'm a Nikolypan.

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Dec 20, 2013 09:18:40   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Joel, now your starting the whole thing over again.
The average shooter, can shoot anything they want to shoot, with any brand camera they have, and it will never make one iota of difference. As they graduate to more specialized or advaneced shooting, and their gear is becoming restrictive, they can then decide if they need to make a change, and that change will be mitigated by their circumstances.
In the meantime, just "run what you brung", and most will be fine, regardless of brand. Their restrictions will be their own abilities, or is that inabilities, not their cameras or who makes it.
Shoot only keepers
SS
Joel, now your starting the whole thing over again... (show quote)


Won't argue with that.

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Dec 20, 2013 09:30:45   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
chuckgibbs wrote:
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now comparing the Nikon d600/610 and the Canon Mark II to replace a D80. Since the D80 is really old (lacking features mostly compared to today's cameras), I'm definitely influenced by the features of a full frame camera. Since the 600/610 has had a lot of negative comments lately (dust/oil) I'm considering the Canon. I have only two lenses (the kit 18-135 mm tele and an inexpensive 50 mm 1.8 for inside family portraits). So I don't think I'm going too far backwards by starting over with Canon lenses. My concern is Nikon's future development of lenses mentioned above (that I would miss out on). The only feature on the Canon (and it appears in a lot of their more expensive cameras) is the lack of a built in flash. Mine works pretty well up to 11' inside on the 80. I've rented a lens (24-120mm f/4) for Thanksgiving to compare it with my tele. I know that lens would be better used on full frame cameras, but was "shorted" on the D80. So my question in this blog would be: is it too risky to buy the new 600/610 with it's oil/dust problems and are there more features (than the 600/610) I'm missing out on in the Canon? I read Ken Rockwell as well as other review sites: DPreview, CNET, etc. so I think I'm pretty well informed. However, I'd like some comments from users. Thanks
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now compar... (show quote)


Your 18-135 is a DX lens .... if you don't want to invest in FX lenses .... why don't you look at the Nikon D300s .... it is a crop camera with many of the features found on Nikon's full frame cameras ...

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Dec 20, 2013 09:58:39   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
joer wrote:
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras and vacillate between them on which has the better IQ.

Light and lens has as much to do with it as does the sensor. The images are slightly different and both are capable of excellence.

The Canon top of the line lenses seem sharper than the Nikon equivalents, but there is much more to a lens than sharpness. That is not to say that Nikon lenses are not sharp.

I prefer the Nikon bodies over Canon because they have more adjustments and most have built in flashes. The Nikon flash system is as good as it gets.

When it comes to resale value both brands rank among the best.
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras... (show quote)



Spot on assessment of both brands, although you will probably hear some arguments about the sensors. Well done.

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Dec 20, 2013 10:03:57   #
photo169 Loc: Chicago,ILL
 
joer wrote:
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras and vacillate between them on which has the better IQ.

Light and lens has as much to do with it as does the sensor. The images are slightly different and both are capable of excellence.

The Canon top of the line lenses seem sharper than the Nikon equivalents, but there is much more to a lens than sharpness. That is not to say that Nikon lenses are not sharp.

I prefer the Nikon bodies over Canon because they have more adjustments and most have built in flashes. The Nikon flash system is as good as it gets.

When it comes to resale value both brands rank among the best.
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras... (show quote)

This topic was already discussed.

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Dec 20, 2013 10:16:01   #
pauleveritt Loc: Erie, Colorado
 
Get a REFURBISHED D600 if you want one. The EARLY production models had this issue. The later ones seem to be fine. If the D600 has been REFURBISHED, Nikon, probably at the repair center, has taken a second look at that particular body, and address the issue, if it had occurred on that particular body. I would MUCH prefer a refurbished D600 to a new D600 for this very reason. The D610s have all been fine. No reports, that I can find of a problem with them.

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Dec 20, 2013 10:27:27   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
joer wrote:
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras and vacillate between them on which has the better IQ.

Light and lens has as much to do with it as does the sensor. The images are slightly different and both are capable of excellence.

The Canon top of the line lenses seem sharper than the Nikon equivalents, but there is much more to a lens than sharpness. That is not to say that Nikon lenses are not sharp.

I prefer the Nikon bodies over Canon because they have more adjustments and most have built in flashes. The Nikon flash system is as good as it gets.

When it comes to resale value both brands rank among the best.
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras... (show quote)


I have to agree with Dennis King. I stay with Nikon due to my investment in Glass. Began with Nikon in 1970 with a Nikkormat. Continued acquisitions when stationed in Tokyo area in mid 1970s. Never saw fit to change.

However, the Canon is also very good. Just look at Maxis Gamez's birds. http://www.gvisions.org/ The one thing the Canon system can do that Nikon does not allow is stacking two 1.4 Extenders and an extension tube on an 800 mm lens to give extreme close-up. [Please no discussion of why not a longer extender. The 1.4 is clearly the sharpest and his work shows this].

You use what you have. The longer and heavier you use whatever system you have, the better results you will get as you learn how to use that system, and don't spend excessive time fiddling with menus.

My $0.02

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Dec 20, 2013 10:54:54   #
chuckgibbs
 
Wow, SS, that was a great explanation. I have a tendency to over analyze a major purchase. And I usually stay with that commodity for a long time (cars, golf clubs, stereo equipment, etc.: things that I value). Some comments that make the most sense is...just start and have fun learning. Well, I did with a D80 for 6 years. The camera environment has really advanced since then and I don't want to miss out on future photo opportunities on things that I value (3 kids, 6 grandkids all within 20 minutes of the house, and my annual late September trek through the mountains here in Colorado). I even took a RR trip over the border of New Mexico and Colorado for this purpose. If I can figure out how, I'll include a pic of the multitude of colors outside Eagle, Colorado taken with my 80 and the kit lens. I need better sharpness, I think. But I do love the colors.

Anyway thanks so much for your honesty and frankness. I'm retired and have plenty of time to make a decision (that's a problem, too!!).



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Dec 20, 2013 11:12:00   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Gimme a break. Somehow I think I have heard this pissing contest before. Enough already

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Dec 20, 2013 11:21:57   #
stevebein
 
With the level of quality, it still becomes which feels best to the user. I owned Nikon for 35 years and then switched to Canon so my system would be compatible with my girlfriend's system. In selling the old system and buying the new, I profited a few thousand dollars. Top pro shooters use both and all come up with outstanding images, but so do shooters with other brands. It still is the issue of the nut behind the viewer instead of brand. Both make fantastic products and keep making "improvements" but look at some of the older and lower digitally sized cameras and the quality still exists. I think all manufacturers have exceeded the quality needs of "most" but not all users. There will always be improvements and it seems as soon as one of the manufacturers make some improvement for an edge, the others follow pretty soon. The mirrorless cameras seem to be gaining in quality and acceptance and, due to weight and size reduction, they may be the wave of the future especially for travellers who currently take heavy and bulky systems by air travel, but that is another subject.

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Dec 20, 2013 11:43:33   #
PhotoGenesis131 Loc: Michigan
 
No problems with my d600 love it. Can be had as a bargain now that d620 is out. Consider a refurb. Warranty only 90 days from Nikon. A dealer may give a year.

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Dec 20, 2013 11:48:11   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Joel, now your starting the whole thing over again.
The average shooter, can shoot anything they want to shoot, with any brand camera they have, and it will never make one iota of difference. As they graduate to more specialized or advaneced shooting, and their gear is becoming restrictive, they can then decide if they need to make a change, and that change will be mitigated by their circumstances.
In the meantime, just "run what you brung", and most will be fine, regardless of brand. Their restrictions will be their own abilities, or is that inabilities, not their cameras or who makes it.
Shoot only keepers
SS
Joel, now your starting the whole thing over again... (show quote)

I have used many different brands and at the present I use Nikon and Canon. I could never understand why people knock someones choice. I could not care less what the other guy has. It's like a bunch of litle kids chanting, mine is better than yours, mine is better than yours

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Dec 20, 2013 11:55:01   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
boberic wrote:
Gimme a break. Somehow I think I have heard this pissing contest before. Enough already


Boberic, this is not directed at you. But your statement and others like it are a little cynical. Of course you've heard all of this before. Some of us a hundred times!
And with each new Hog, you will likely hear it again and again and again. As each new Hog must ask this question for themselves and reinvent their own wheel, it's part of the learning process. Also, the programming is not likely to change, but you can always change the channel. There has been a lot of information provided here in a very civilized manner. I myself, always learn from these discussions, especially about brands and cameras that I'm not as familiar with.
It would not be fair to deny a new member the same opportunity that we ourselves were afforded, however lopsided it seems to some, to be able to pick our own system. For some of us picked our system 50 years ago, but others are just now doing so, and that's important to them.
As I said, I am not directing this AT you, it just seemed like the time to say it.
And Boberic, if I did not do so in another post, welcome to the Hog. ;-)
SS

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Dec 20, 2013 12:10:27   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Hi joer, in that case I am an Oly/Pana/Can user.
Cheers
John

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Dec 20, 2013 14:05:58   #
Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA
 
joer wrote:
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras and vacillate between them on which has the better IQ.

Light and lens has as much to do with it as does the sensor. The images are slightly different and both are capable of excellence.

The Canon top of the line lenses seem sharper than the Nikon equivalents, but there is much more to a lens than sharpness. That is not to say that Nikon lenses are not sharp.

I prefer the Nikon bodies over Canon because they have more adjustments and most have built in flashes. The Nikon flash system is as good as it gets.

When it comes to resale value both brands rank among the best.
I have owned some high end Nikon and Canon cameras... (show quote)


Good grief, not this again.

Chevy versus Ford, Coke versus Pepsi, Frigidaire versus Whirlpool, .45 ACP versus 9mm, blah, blah, blah.

I've seen this this topic take up more space on this forum than cow pies in a pasture. Most of the time it seems like shooters are simply looking for vindication from their peers that the made the right decision on gear choices.

They're both great systems & take great images. Be happy with what you've got or trade out one for the other & then leave it alone.

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