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Dec 20, 2013 14:24:06   #
Bigfoot73 Loc: Canada
 
chuckgibbs wrote:
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now comparing the Nikon d600/610 and the Canon Mark II to replace a D80. Since the D80 is really old (lacking features mostly compared to today's cameras), I'm definitely influenced by the features of a full frame camera. Since the 600/610 has had a lot of negative comments lately (dust/oil) I'm considering the Canon. I have only two lenses (the kit 18-135 mm tele and an inexpensive 50 mm 1.8 for inside family portraits). So I don't think I'm going too far backwards by starting over with Canon lenses. My concern is Nikon's future development of lenses mentioned above (that I would miss out on). The only feature on the Canon (and it appears in a lot of their more expensive cameras) is the lack of a built in flash. Mine works pretty well up to 11' inside on the 80. I've rented a lens (24-120mm f/4) for Thanksgiving to compare it with my tele. I know that lens would be better used on full frame cameras, but was "shorted" on the D80. So my question in this blog would be: is it too risky to buy the new 600/610 with it's oil/dust problems and are there more features (than the 600/610) I'm missing out on in the Canon? I read Ken Rockwell as well as other review sites: DPreview, CNET, etc. so I think I'm pretty well informed. However, I'd like some comments from users. Thanks
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now compar... (show quote)


Hello

I am shooting over 30 years and have used Canon, Nikon, Zenith, Minolta, ..... I think that you won't find one brand more satisfying over the another.
D610 is produced to fix the problems of D600 so it is safe solution.
Another thing is that since you haven't used Canon you will be spending a lot of time to learn the new system...
If you insist on a full frame go with D610 OR ... maybe Df since they are close with price and the Df has remarkable specifications ...
If you don't need full frame D7100 is fantastic camera for maybe the half of the D610 price ...

On the other hand, to answer to the original question ... in all this years I have never seen so much difference to feel free to say that this is better over that. It all depends more from the photographer than the camera and even more from the type of photography you are doing. I feel that people raging for one brand over the another are people with very bad childhood incapable of photography who are just trying to show off with their toy and prove by force that they have better toy. Typical for incomplete personality ...
When I just think of all the cameras that I had in my hands and than look at "children" with one or two cameras yelling around about who is better ... priceless ...

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Dec 20, 2013 15:11:16   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Bigfoot73 wrote:
Hello

I am shooting over 30 years.....
Typical for incomplete personality ..."children"... priceless ...


Hey, guy with big foot, I see you are something of a newbie.
Hey, as an adult, my Mother dressed me funny, so what's YOUR excuse?!
For a NORMAL guy with a big foot, you sure do RANT A LOT !! :lol: :thumbup:
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Dec 20, 2013 15:18:53   #
Bigfoot73 Loc: Canada
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Hey, guy with big foot, I see you are something of a newbie.
Hey, as an adult, my Mother dressed me funny, so what's YOUR excuse?!
For a NORMAL guy with a big foot, you sure do RANT A LOT !! :lol: :thumbup:
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Look who's talking ...
Since nobody mentioned you, I guess you found yourself in some description...

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Dec 20, 2013 15:33:09   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
Either the Nikon or Canon cameras will do a superb job. Both, with care and thought, will take fabulous pictures. I find the Canon more intuitive to use. I have had both Canon and Nikon film and digital cameras. Good shooting!
chuckgibbs wrote:
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now comparing the Nikon d600/610 and the Canon Mark II to replace a D80. Since the D80 is really old (lacking features mostly compared to today's cameras), I'm definitely influenced by the features of a full frame camera. Since the 600/610 has had a lot of negative comments lately (dust/oil) I'm considering the Canon. I have only two lenses (the kit 18-135 mm tele and an inexpensive 50 mm 1.8 for inside family portraits). So I don't think I'm going too far backwards by starting over with Canon lenses. My concern is Nikon's future development of lenses mentioned above (that I would miss out on). The only feature on the Canon (and it appears in a lot of their more expensive cameras) is the lack of a built in flash. Mine works pretty well up to 11' inside on the 80. I've rented a lens (24-120mm f/4) for Thanksgiving to compare it with my tele. I know that lens would be better used on full frame cameras, but was "shorted" on the D80. So my question in this blog would be: is it too risky to buy the new 600/610 with it's oil/dust problems and are there more features (than the 600/610) I'm missing out on in the Canon? I read Ken Rockwell as well as other review sites: DPreview, CNET, etc. so I think I'm pretty well informed. However, I'd like some comments from users. Thanks
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Dec 20, 2013 16:09:06   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
AntonioReyna wrote:
Either the Nikon or Canon cameras will do a superb job. Both, with care and thought, will take fabulous pictures. I find the Canon more intuitive to use. I have had both Canon and Nikon film and digital cameras. Good shooting!

Nice hats

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Dec 20, 2013 17:14:17   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
WayneL wrote:
Nice hats


Wayne, you obviously know nothing about shoes, do you?! ;-)
SS

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Dec 20, 2013 18:07:05   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Wayne, you obviously know nothing about shoes, do you?! ;-)
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Do you think the upper torso is Photoshoped .... OMG

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Dec 20, 2013 18:48:47   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
DEBJENROB wrote:
Do you think the upper torso is Photoshoped .... OMG


No, I think he was just born that scrawny. !! :lol:
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Dec 20, 2013 18:50:37   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
And I bet he laughs after every stupid comment he makes. Maybe when he gets older, say 10 or 12, he will grow out of that childish behavior. People like that are ridiculous. I've leaned to avoid them.


You'd think he'd have grown up by now. He's about 65 years old and a Vietnam war vet. Sheesh!

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Dec 20, 2013 23:07:10   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
chuckgibbs wrote:
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now comparing the Nikon d600/610 and the Canon Mark II to replace a D80. Since the D80 is really old (lacking features mostly compared to today's cameras), I'm definitely influenced by the features of a full frame camera. Since the 600/610 has had a lot of negative comments lately (dust/oil) I'm considering the Canon. I have only two lenses (the kit 18-135 mm tele and an inexpensive 50 mm 1.8 for inside family portraits). So I don't think I'm going too far backwards by starting over with Canon lenses. My concern is Nikon's future development of lenses mentioned above (that I would miss out on). The only feature on the Canon (and it appears in a lot of their more expensive cameras) is the lack of a built in flash. Mine works pretty well up to 11' inside on the 80. I've rented a lens (24-120mm f/4) for Thanksgiving to compare it with my tele. I know that lens would be better used on full frame cameras, but was "shorted" on the D80. So my question in this blog would be: is it too risky to buy the new 600/610 with it's oil/dust problems and are there more features (than the 600/610) I'm missing out on in the Canon? I read Ken Rockwell as well as other review sites: DPreview, CNET, etc. so I think I'm pretty well informed. However, I'd like some comments from users. Thanks
Thanks for the objective comments. I'm now compar... (show quote)


My d600 didn't have any issues with spotting until just before my warranty ran out. There were two TINY spots that never would have bothered me but I had Nikon take care of them anyway. They replaced the shutter and did a bunch of other stuff I didn't even ask for. Plus, they paid freight both ways. Don't discount the 600/610. It's an awesome camera.

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Dec 20, 2013 23:07:17   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
My kids got me a Nikon D40 as my first DSLR, which I still have and use as well as a D5100. I know both brands, as well as the other DSLR brands are all good, competant cameras. I've used my son's friend's Canon DSLR before and the placement of the shutter button on the Nikon fits my large hands better than the Canon, although that doesn't mean I couldn't get used to the Canon I guess. However, with her small hands, the Canon seems to fit her hands better. In that respect, I think it's like hats or shoes, choose the one that fits you best regardless of brand.

If you can afford to buy all new lenses, the next point means nothing but if you have to resort to older used lenses, then Nikon has an advantage over Canon because the lens mounts haven't changed since the 1960s. True, you need to operate them manually, but for us old timers that's the way we did it before all that "modern" stuff came along. Since old Canon mounts are different than the DSLR mounts, the Canon user doesn't have that option. But for most purposes, it's the operator that makes the biggest difference, not the camera or lens.

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Dec 21, 2013 10:27:32   #
chuckgibbs
 
Yeah, I started with a Yashica for $100 in Viet Nam in 1972. I even developed my own black and white film at the photo lab on base. I should have kept up that hobby as I've missed many opportunities with better equipment. Now I'm racing to get current. I have only two lenses:the kit lens, a DX tele and an FX 50 mm f/1.8, which I'll keep if I get the Nikon. Note to all: great comments and info. Thanks.
bikinkawboy wrote:
My kids got me a Nikon D40 as my first DSLR, which I still have and use as well as a D5100. I know both brands, as well as the other DSLR brands are all good, competant cameras. I've used my son's friend's Canon DSLR before and the placement of the shutter button on the Nikon fits my large hands better than the Canon, although that doesn't mean I couldn't get used to the Canon I guess. However, with her small hands, the Canon seems to fit her hands better. In that respect, I think it's like hats or shoes, choose the one that fits you best regardless of brand.

If you can afford to buy all new lenses, the next point means nothing but if you have to resort to older used lenses, then Nikon has an advantage over Canon because the lens mounts haven't changed since the 1960s. True, you need to operate them manually, but for us old timers that's the way we did it before all that "modern" stuff came along. Since old Canon mounts are different than the DSLR mounts, the Canon user doesn't have that option. But for most purposes, it's the operator that makes the biggest difference, not the camera or lens.
My kids got me a Nikon D40 as my first DSLR, which... (show quote)

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Dec 21, 2013 11:19:01   #
Tjgphoto Loc: South Carolina
 
To shed some light. For u , the 600 had a few issues, which has been corrected, Although it didn't occur in all produced, I have many pro photog friends whom are using the 600, i currently went to D800, awesome to say the least , I've used the mk iii for one week and wasn't impressed, comparing the Mark 111 to the D800 is like comparing a pse bow to a Mathews. Only thing in common is yes it will take a photo, as far as using it as a professional, I'll stick with my NIKONS. PRO GEAR.

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Dec 21, 2013 12:15:43   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
When it comes to making a choice between Canon and Nikon I think ergonomics and design are important. I know whenever I pick of a Nikon of any model my finger intuitively knows how to turn the camera on. Whenever I pick of a Canon I have to go looking for the on button because it's often in a different place.

But when it comes to quality, both makers have exceptional quality and both can meet whatever demands you have in the longer term in terms of specialized gadgets.

Once in a while Nikon is ahead of Canon and other times Canon has a feature that Nikon doesn't have but in the end they always tend to catch up to each other. Sometimes one is more expensive than the other and then suddenly the roles are reversed again.

In my experience there is only one important difference. Canon does not respect the investments that their customers make in their gear. I began with Canon and spent a bundle in the seventies on a dozen different lenses. Then, when Canon came out with autofocus, suddenly all of those lenses were obsolete and I was being told by Canon to just go buy them again, there would be no adaptors or work around.

So since I had to start again I switched to Nikon which I should have selected in the first place. Nikon does respect your investments. I have four Nikon prime lenses from the seventies which mount on all my Nikon DSLRs and work perfectly albeit manually of course. Had I started with Nikon in the first place I'd have had a dozen more too.

Maybe Canon has learned their lesson and maybe they are protecting customer investments now, but frankly I don't trust them to do that at all. It's always possible that one day a whole new technology will appear that will suddenly force their users to start over again. It's not a risk I'd be willing to take considering the cost of gear.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:14:36   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
bugfan wrote:

In my experience there is only one important difference. Canon does not respect the investments that their customers make in their gear.

So since I had to start again I switched to Nikon which I should have selected in the first place.

Maybe Canon has learned their lesson and maybe they are protecting customer investments now, but frankly I don't trust them to do that at all.



Bugfan, my violin is completely worn out, and my shoes are getting wet !!
Yes, I too had an FD mount system. Fortunately for me, I wasn't all loaded up with expensive L glass, as you were.
Because of that switch to EOS, Canon has rewarded me with some of the fasted and most beautiful glass, the likes of which you or any other Nikon shooter, will NEVER have the privilege to enjoy. Too bad.
But we all know, it's got nothing to do with glass, it's only about the bodies, right ?
And who cares where the on/off switch is. I haven't turned my camera off since the day I bought. But I'm sure I'm the ONLY one. Dag nabit, where's that pesky switch, gotta get out the manual, I know it's here somewhere!! I shoulda got a Nikon! ;-)
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