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Dec 19, 2013 21:49:30   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
From Fox - Cast of Duck Dynasty to stand behind Robertson
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Dec 19, 2013 21:52:39   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Hey, I like what you are saying and good for you for standing up and speaking your mind. We should all do that, right? By your own words, why should I or anyone else have to like those bigoted, perverted homosexuals? What right do they have to tell me that I must accept their life style?

BIGOT
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Full Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Hey, I like what you are saying and good for you f... (show quote)


Wow! you just nailed CIO jack as the real BIGOT.

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Dec 19, 2013 21:52:54   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
GregC wrote:
Yep, liberals are all for free speech as long as it agrees with theirs. It was his opinion, it's ok for you to speak your opinion as long as it PC. What happened to free speech? He's being attacked because he comes from a Christian point of view, which in this country is becoming taboo.


This is not a free speech issue. He is not being dragged of to jail. The network has a right to control their own programming. You have a right not to watch it.

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Dec 19, 2013 22:00:21   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
A&E will suffer more from this than Phil. This most popular cable show will find another outlet. I personally haven't watched it but from all the comments that I have heard about it, I agree with his stand.
RixPix wrote:
You keep your mouth shut to keep the paychecks coming he didn't now he's toast... You can think anything and believe anything you want. Once you put your thought into words that others can hear you've committed to path that could lead you to a ruinous end.

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Dec 19, 2013 22:00:53   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
From Fox - Cast of Duck Dynasty to stand behind Robertson
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As I predicted earlier in this thread, it now becomes interesting... Miley Cyrus has simulated sex on a family program which I think millions of viewers found to be utterly repulsive, yet she will be back on the same network next month, Ol' Phil Robertson says something pretty stupid in an interview, which by the way is completely fitting of his character as portrayed on the program, which most people just blew off except for the left, who also know that it was a meaningless statement that nobody would give heed as it was just some old redneck babbling, but the left found a target, and a religious one at that!

Now comes the just desserts as A&E is about to lose the biggest money making show in their miserable history, 9 to 10 million viewers per episode.... The Robertsons don't need A&E but A&E sure as hell needs the Robertsons... Should be fun to watch how this plays out.

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Dec 19, 2013 22:01:18   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Bazbo wrote:
I am never going to question anyones right to say anything they want. But if you are trying to make this into a first amendment case, you are dead wrong. If this character was being dragged off to jail, that would be a First amendment outrage. But he is not.

The guy is not the first ignorant buffoon to spout off something offensive and lose his job and he won't be the last. But people do not lose their liberty for it. That is the First Amendment protection.

Do you think A&E has no right to control the content of their programming or to choose who represents them in public? Have we lost track of who is signing the checks?

This guy is free to raise his own capital, establish his own production company, produce his own show and try to sell it to various outlets. But he is free, so no First Amendment issue.
He has no right to say things that the Corporate managers feel are not in the best interest of the Corporation that employs him.

You are also free to not watch A&E, or organize a boycott, or whatever.

As a Corporate Manager myself, it is within my prerogative not employ anyone who says anything in public that harms my shareholders. And I don't really care if you like it or not.
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I don't care if you like it or not either and that is my first amendment right to say so just as you had used your first amendment right to tell me. And what is this lame ideal that you have to be taken off to jail before you lose your first amendment rights. A&E took away Robertsons first amendment by taking him off the show. "I am paying the checks so you do as I say" is a violation of Robertson's first amendment rights. If he was speaking out against A&E then yes, they have a right to kick him off the show but it had nothing to do with A&E. He was speaking for himself, not as a representative of A&E. It was in interview with QE. A&E does not own P. Robertson nor his views. So, yes. His First Amendment Rights were violated .

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Dec 19, 2013 22:03:51   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
I don't care if you like it or not either and that is my first amendment right to say so just as you had used your first amendment right to tell me. And what is this lame ideal that you have to be taken off to jail before you lose your first amendment rights. A&E took away Robertsons first amendment by taking him off the show. "I am paying the checks so you do as I say" is a violation of Robertson's first amendment rights. If he was speaking out against A&E then yes, they have a right to kick him off the show but it had nothing to do with A&E. He was speaking for himself, not as a representative of A&E. It was in interview with QE. A&E does not own P. Robertson nor his views. So, yes. His First Amendment Rights were violated .
I don't care if you like it or not either and that... (show quote)

Agree 100%

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Dec 19, 2013 22:06:15   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
This is not a free speech issue. He is not being dragged of to jail. The network has a right to control their own programming. You have a right not to watch it.


So, how do you feel about John Pedesta comparing republicans to the Jones Town cult? Is that any less bigoted than what Roberson said? Somehow I bet you do not see the offense in that, maybe it is more likely that you would agree with Pedesta... Why is he not fired and held to account for insulting 10's of millions of Americans, why should we have to accept him remaining employed by our government which we pay for?

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Dec 19, 2013 22:12:57   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
Wannabe redneck?
COI Jack wrote:
Just scratch your balls in public and spit your tobacco juice in the ashtray. :D

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Dec 19, 2013 23:18:55   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Bangee5 wrote:
I don't care if you like it or not either and that is my first amendment right to say so just as you had used your first amendment right to tell me. And what is this lame ideal that you have to be taken off to jail before you lose your first amendment rights. A&E took away Robertsons first amendment by taking him off the show. "I am paying the checks so you do as I say" is a violation of Robertson's first amendment rights. If he was speaking out against A&E then yes, they have a right to kick him off the show but it had nothing to do with A&E. He was speaking for himself, not as a representative of A&E. It was in interview with QE. A&E does not own P. Robertson nor his views. So, yes. His First Amendment Rights were violated .
I don't care if you like it or not either and that... (show quote)


The First Amendment only applies to Government control over an individual's free speech, not control by private businesses such as A&E. Also, since A&E is a private Biz, they can pretty much fire him for just about anything, of course within the bounds of EEOC laws as well as any existing contract between the parties.

I actually think A&E is screwed no matter how they handle this. If they don't do something, they and their sponsors will be viciously attacked by the LGBT activist orgs and bigots. On the other hand, as they are now finding, the fans of the show are attacking them for taking action against him due to his GQ interview. Ultimately The Robertson family is in the drivers seat here as they will likely leave A&E, their choice or the Network's, and there will be a big time bidding war for their show., Mean while, A&E will lose a big audience magnet, which will definitely hit their bottom line.

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Dec 19, 2013 23:29:46   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yeah, but he is a good ol' boy.... and that is a big part of the mystic of the show... My personal opinion although it is very early in this incident is that A&E is way underestimating the notion of "Family Allegiance" and "Southern Pride". I seriously doubt that there were be anymore tapings of "Duck Dynasty" because if the Robertson boys feel that their father has been slapped down by the network they themselves will probably walkout on the program. Just my opinion, and no I am not defending his remarks, just making an observation of the situation, I think that those in Hollywood only understand money and somehow think that they can have that show after censoring Phil, I don't think that they understand that money just might be as important to the Robertsons as their respect for their patriarch.
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"Southern Pride" is a euphemism for the acceptance of racism. Nice choice of words.

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Dec 19, 2013 23:33:58   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
RixPix wrote:
"Southern Pride" is a euphemism for the acceptance of racism. Nice choice of words.


Not at all, has nothing to do with racism but being from California you would not know that.... Southern folk can be hard headed, and when you start messing with their family, especially a family like the one portrayed on Duck Dynasty... especially when you slap down the patriarch... no amount of money or reason will get them to come to your side of the issue after offending their "Southern Pride". The Robertsons are already intimating that they will not continue with the show... has nothing to do with racism or bigotry, they will circle the wagons around the old man.

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Dec 19, 2013 23:59:58   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
The Robertson Family official statement:

We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E's decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate. We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right. We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.

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Dec 20, 2013 00:21:24   #
Mtn_Dog Loc: El Dorado Hills, CA
 
Here's the text of our Constitution's First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The amendment is about our right to speak our mind without fear of retribution from the Government.

As previously stated, this amendment does not protect you from actions by a private party or corporation (or your employer) if you publicly say or do things that damage their interests.

A&E had the authority to fire Phil.
The Robertson family can choose to support Phil and leave A&E.
None of this is a government or 1st Amendment issue.
Consumers will ultimately control what happens to this show.

A&E will pay a heavy financial price for this business decision when their golden goose dies. I seriously doubt that GLAAD or similar activist organizations will pass a hat to compensate A&E their loss. They just got more media action than they could ever afford to buy thanks to Old Phil's personal opinion. He inadvertently did the gay groups a favor. I suspect the activists are the only ones smiling.

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Dec 20, 2013 00:48:59   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Mtn_Dog wrote:
Here's the text of our Constitution's First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The amendment is about our right to speak our mind without fear of retribution from the Government.

As previously stated, this amendment does not protect you from actions by a private party or corporation (or your employer) if you publicly say or do things that damage their interests.

A&E had the authority to fire Phil.
The Robertson family can choose to support Phil and leave A&E.
None of this is a government or 1st Amendment issue.
Consumers will ultimately control what happens to this show.

A&E will pay a heavy financial price for this business decision when their golden goose dies. I seriously doubt that GLAAD or similar activist organizations will pass a hat to compensate A&E their loss. They just got more media action than they could ever afford to buy thanks to Old Phil's personal opinion. He inadvertently did the gay groups a favor. I suspect the activists are the only ones smiling.
Here's the text of our Constitution's First Amendm... (show quote)


Well, one thing is certain...without that show TV is certainly better-looking...and has fewer fleas and ticks.

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