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Dec 7, 2013 10:34:37   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
rpavich wrote:
I know that I'd be one of them...I've done this method for quite a while and then finally broke down and spent the 100.00 to get 'er done right.

Sure, I will go along with that.... we live in a do-gadget world. Did you find that the poor man's calibration worked reasonably well? Could be rpavich that me-ol' eyes are a not as crisp as when younger.

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Dec 7, 2013 10:40:48   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
dpullum wrote:
Sure, I will go along with that.... we live in a do-gadget world. Did you find that the poor man's calibration worked reasonably well? Could be rpavich that me-ol' eyes are a not as crisp as when younger.


Well...it worked better than nothing, I'll say that.

I was shocked when I saw a really accurate calibration by the Spyder though...I thought something must be wrong with my monitor...lol. I thought that something must have happened! I ran it twice and each time it came out the same.

After a few days, my eyes got used to seeing it and now when i see the typical "monitor bluish" tint that manufactures set them at I cringe....

So...while it's better than not caring, it's certainly no match for exactitude in Calibration.

It's sort of like trying to manipulate your white balance of an image based on what you remember that color was like a week later...sure, you'll not be completely wrong...but you can bet you won't nail it...that's just life, if you want accurate color that's REALLY accurate, you need to use a color target when shooting in that particular light.

I've cheaped out on many things...but I figured that I just spend $17.00 at Denny's for breakfast with a tip...and if I can spend almost $20.00 to eat just one meal...then putting it in perspective, getting good calibration for $100.00 isn't that big a deal.

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Dec 7, 2013 11:05:18   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rpavich wrote:
I've cheaped out on many things...but I figured that I just spend $17.00 at Denny's for breakfast with a tip...and if I can spend almost $20.00 to eat just one meal...then putting it in perspective, getting good calibration for $100.00 isn't that big a deal.

What version of Spyder do you use?

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Dec 7, 2013 11:17:49   #
Mauilover Loc: Northern VA - DC area
 
redrocktom wrote:
Just retired, so planning to get more active in photography. Want to do some printing (outside labs) and photo books, so I wondered if calibration software and hardware is strongly advised. If so, I'm leaning toward Spyder4Pro because it also offers a HDTV calibration add-on package. So 4 questions:

1) Is calibration software/hardware advised?
2) If so, for those with Spyder4Pro, what's your rating?
3) How are O/S update versions, such as Apple's move from Mtn. Lion to Mavericks, handled. Is there a free update provision with the Spyder software for downloading , per the example, Mavericks compatible Spyder software? Or must you buy new Spyder software with each new O/S version that you install?
4) If anyone uses the Datacolor HDTV calibration add-on, what's been your experience?
Just retired, so planning to get more active in ph... (show quote)


You only need to calibrate your monitor if you are going to do any type of post processing of the photo from your camera. Your camera, for the most part, is calibrated to give you sRGB or AdobeRGB color space if you shoot jpeg. If you shoot RAW then that is another subject, you must do post processing. Either way, if any type of post processing is done, you need to ensure that the color space your monitor is displaying matches the color space your post processing software believes you are using. Sounds trivial but its not. If you don't do this, you run the risk of making something look marvelous on your screen but will not necessarily look good on anyone else's - not to mention when it is printed.

If you print your own photos, calibration is not strictly needed if you are using the jpeg photo directly from your camera. Most printers are properly calibrated to sRGB and so if your camera jpeg does that correctly, it almost doesn't matter what it looks like on your screen, the print will be OK.

However, if you do want to do post processing, calibrating your monitor and printer (if you want high end results) is a must. There are many good devices to do this and they are quite simple to use. The Spyder brand is good - I used to use them. For the past few years I've moved to the x-rite color munki and have been quite pleased with it. However, it is a little bit expensive.

Oh, my experience with OS, at least on Mac, is that it never has mattered. If something changes, the vendor of the color calibration system will almost always give you an update to your software to work with that OS for free. At least that has been my experience. I've used my Color Munki since Snow Leopard on my Mac and now use Mavericks without any problems.

Good luck with your new expanded hobby!

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Dec 7, 2013 12:34:02   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
What version of Spyder do you use?


I use the Spyder4Express I believe.

Darn it! I spent $114.00 and it's $79.00 now!!

http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-Spyder4Express-S4X100-Display-Calibration/dp/B006TF3746/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386437738&sr=8-1&keywords=spyder4express

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Dec 7, 2013 15:38:56   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 

I'm going to wait till it's $19.99, plus some extras for ordering right away. :D

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Dec 7, 2013 16:38:06   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
I've used the Spyder 4 for over a year. It's simple, easy to use, well made, complete and does a fantastic job. Buy it and use it.

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Dec 7, 2013 17:37:52   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
redrocktom wrote:

1) Is calibration software/hardware advised?
2) If so, for those with Spyder4Pro, what's your rating?
3) How are O/S update versions, such as Apple's move from Mtn. Lion to Mavericks, handled. Is there a free update provision with the Spyder software for downloading , per the example, Mavericks compatible Spyder software? Or must you buy new Spyder software with each new O/S version that you install?
4) If anyone uses the Datacolor HDTV calibration add-on, what's been your experience?
br 1) Is calibration software/hardware advised? b... (show quote)


I use Spyder 4 Pro and am more than happy with it.
Yes, I very strongly advise using a calibrator, my rating for Spyder 4 Pro would be 10 out of 10.
I don't do my own printing, just send the images to a local lab. They do a good job, but if I checked "do not adjust" the colours always seemed a bit off. If I did not check that box when ordering, the colours were better, but I always felt that I had no control over the final product.
Since using Spyder, I check "do no adjust" and I get my pictures back as I made them and want them to be.
I was especially impressed when recently I had a photobook printed through Blurb. The colours in the book are exactly the same as they were on my screen.

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Dec 7, 2013 17:45:59   #
Hankwt Loc: kingsville ontario
 
ok Dumb question of the day - Does the spyder work for a laptop monitor Ive heard conflicting opinions due to the variations in viewing angle of laptops . Thoughts ??

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Dec 7, 2013 17:54:54   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
Hankwt wrote:
ok Dumb question of the day - Does the spyder work for a laptop monitor Ive heard conflicting opinions due to the variations in viewing angle of laptops . Thoughts ??


No dumb question, of any day!!! Only dumb people that don't ask the questions they don't know the answer to.

Yes, it does. At least for some laptops.
Mine is a DELL XPS.
Make sure the screen is always at the right angle for viewing (90 degrees from your line of vision), and use it in the same ambient light conditions.
When I get home, I quickly check the photos on my desktop before shipping the files off for printing.

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Dec 7, 2013 19:59:27   #
redrocktom Loc: Sedona
 
Thanks for the great response M/L. You answered all of my questions in a thorough manner. Appreciate it.

And thanks to all of those who responded and who participate in this forum. I've learned more here in 2 mos. than any other source that I have.

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Dec 7, 2013 20:03:38   #
redrocktom Loc: Sedona
 
Morning Star wrote:
I use Spyder 4 Pro and am more than happy with it.
Yes, I very strongly advise using a calibrator, my rating for Spyder 4 Pro would be 10 out of 10.
I don't do my own printing, just send the images to a local lab. They do a good job, but if I checked "do not adjust" the colours always seemed a bit off. If I did not check that box when ordering, the colours were better, but I always felt that I had no control over the final product.
Since using Spyder, I check "do no adjust" and I get my pictures back as I made them and want them to be.
I was especially impressed when recently I had a photobook printed through Blurb. The colours in the book are exactly the same as they were on my screen.
I use Spyder 4 Pro and am more than happy with it.... (show quote)


Thanks M/S. That's exactly what I needed to know.

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Dec 30, 2013 07:08:42   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Rpavich, I see that you utilize the Spyder4pro? I just rcvd mine and performed my first full calibration on my MacBook Pro, non retina anti glare monitor. I based it off the calibrated LCD profile, which I believe is the factory default, and the colors across the board are a little punchy and contrasty. Does the spyder also adjust the monitor's contrast? I have to say that I don't care for how "edgy" everything looks. I'm just wondering if the view will be like night and day after one calibrates? Thx in advance.

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Dec 30, 2013 07:08:45   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Rpavich, I see that you utilize the Spyder4pro? I just rcvd mine and performed my first full calibration on my MacBook Pro, non retina anti glare monitor. I based it off the calibrated LCD profile, which I believe is the factory default, and the colors across the board are a little punchy and contrasty. Does the spyder also adjust the monitor's contrast? I have to say that I don't care for how "edgy" everything looks. I'm just wondering if the view will be like night and day after one calibrates? Thx in advance.

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Dec 30, 2013 07:09:19   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Oops sorry for double post.

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