TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

Next they will say "Everyone should be paid the same no matter what job they do." That is only fair after all. :roll:

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

I would hope noone does....certainly not me.

But, that's kind of a cheap shot at the gist of my comments.

In a "perfect world" (and I'm NOT being Socialistic here) the business owner would realize that he would not have a product to sell if it weren't for the people who work for him.

In a "perfect world" he would make a "reasonable" profit and the workers would make a "reasonable" wage.

Please add your own definition for "perfect world", "reasonable profit" and "reasonable wage".

Yes, the owner puts up the capital but the workers put up the labor.

Why can't everyone prosper?

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

If we as Americans purchased American made products a lot of our problems would vanish. As consumers we always look for the best price, unfortunately the best price comes from offshore producers.
Do not blame the Corporation's owners, I hold stock and that makes me a owner and I expect a return on my investment.

rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida

Giving money to the "POOR" is a exercise in futility. This country has spent Trillions since the beginning of the "Great Society" programs were started, and we now have more people on the Dole then ever before. Teaching the POOR to support themselves by requiring them to attend vocational training while collecting Welfare would certainly help the problem. The core problem is the Political Parties actually want a totally dependent constituency who will continue to vote them into control; thus the Freebies WILL continue until our Political Hacks are flushed out of the system and replaced by people who actually know how to manage our affairs. Really, how can we expect good results when we hire people that have absolutely no experience in anything except successfully conning their fellow citizens.
When many in the Welfare programs can collect up to 85K per year and NOT hold a regular job, the Welfare Industry will continue to grow. The only thing that will cut it back is actually running out of OPM. It's not a pretty picture.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

sorry, was not meant to be a cheap shot....
I had my own business for many years & tried to not leave any money on the table...what businessman can afford to??...my employees were very well paid..enough that in 25 years I never had to fire anyone & no one quit because of wages...I think everyone prospered..I think reasonable profit & reasonable wage means "all that the market will bear" but not what is dictated by the govt...you forgot to say above that the employee would not have a job if not for the ingenuity of the boss..& HIS capital
as far as a perfect world..well hell..who knows..I sure dont..
I have also been a employee knowing damn well that I could quit if I didnt like the wages or working conditions.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

and as far as the last question???
some people just are not prosperous...& thats a fact....you could give them any amount of money & a cushy job & they would screw it up.....just the way it is man...
because of lack of intelligence, laziness, physical problems or just a shitty attitude...people are just not equal..like it or not...& what a dreary world it would be if we were all the same...

LaughBrian Loc: Tn

I'm on disability not by choice. and the money i get every month is in no way gona make me rich or even come close to it. I have a reason i get a check terminal cancer and degen disk problems. I used to build houses thats what i learned to do. now i cant walk more than 10 feet without falling. I dont like the way some on here think I'm a leach becaise i get a check. Not thinking that I also paid into the fund for many years. and will have paid in more than i will live to get. But there are people who get that same check that hop on there full dress hogs and play 4 hour sets in the bar every week end. And i know these people from a friend. these are not my friends there his. I in no way feel I am the same as these people. But to some on here because i got cancer and my back stoped letting move or work I'm a leach. or a parasite!

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

I don't think anyone here (I hope) would consider you a leach. You paid your dues, worked hard, and shit happened. We rebel at those that are sitting around doing nothing expecting a hand out and in better shape than many of us still working. Don't let that cancer beat you.

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

I believe I did give credit to the owner for his capital investment.

We all realize that we have the option to look elsewhere if we're not satisfied, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

You said you had your own business and you paid people well.

That's what I'm talking about.

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

I wasn't talking about people who ..."lack of intelligence, laziness, physical problems or just a shitty attitude...".

I think you should have realized that.

rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida

I have owned and managed Technical business's for over 50 years. Been through good times and bad, and I can tell you with absolute certainty; a business will survive ONLY if it makes a profit. What is "profit"? It is simply the difference between what it costs to provide the goods and services and what the market will pay for them. Thats it! In "good years" when a business earns a "profit" the owner first puts some of that profit into reserves so the business will be able to survive the "Bad Years" which are inevitable. Then he pays himself with whats left. It is not unusual that when those Bad Years are encountered, and the Reserves have been used up to keep the business and its workers going, the owner has to dig into his personal assets. When those run out he must turn to borrowed funding which he must by necessity put it all on the line and personally guaranty repayment. Obviously, there are no POOR people who are employers. The "System" dictates what is a competitive wage. If the worker is being underpaid according to the marketplace, he will very soon move on, and the employer will have to go through the expense of recruiting and training a replacement...something a employer wants to avoid because it is expensive to go through that exercise, plus an employer of quality people cannot afford to get a reputation of a high turnover rate. What this all means is that in a competitive environment people are paid what their services are worth as determined by the marketplace. Sadly, this of course does NOT hold true for the majority of the government bureaucracy.

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

I don't believe we are currently in a competitive market.

Actually, I loosely equate your "competitive market" with my "perfect world".

rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida

Actually, the marketplace ALWAYS provides a competitive opportunity if one has something unique to offer. If one is good at his/her specialty, and has a solid record of producing good results (Profits) for their employer, there is a demand for that persons services. Employers make investments in employees, and when times are tougher those investments become even more important to make.

chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO

Unfortunately, not all of us are "unique", in the context I think you're using it.

But, that's life.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

We are in a competitive market, you just cannot compete with the 11 million or so illegal alien workers. If your Commander in chief would uphold and enforce our immigration laws I am sure employment would go up and possibly wages.

uote=chrisscholbe]I don't believe we are currently in a competitive market.

Actually, I loosely equate your "competitive market" with my "perfect world".[/quote]