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Oct 31, 2013 13:06:23   #
kwils Loc: Salem, Ma
 


Actually, I'm not surprised. Nikon and Canon are huge names. Pentax is just as good.

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Oct 31, 2013 13:14:33   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 


What I found interesting about this report when I first read it was the clear and obvious DOF difference between the Full Frame Nikon and the APS-C Pentax, the full frame clearly has much less DOF.
The difference in color representations are due to the totally different ways the two cameras process JPG images, this is nothing more than software and each can be internally modified to enhance or detract from the colors presented. The variations shooting in RAW are clearly much different.
Another report I read stated that the K3 is utilizing the same Sony sensor that Nikon uses in its D3200 body, but that masking by the OLPF causes the lower net MP rating of the Pentax.
I do find the in-camera IS system a handy tool when using legacy type MF lenses, of which there are MANY nice examples available at a fair price in the used market. But that the in-camera system is quite generalized and works better at specific focal lengths, whereas in lens stabilization is tuned to each specific lens and optimized for its own characteristics. This is likely why less than 7% of all DSLR and SLR type digital cameras sold today utilize in-camera stabilization and the vast majority use in-lens systems.
Before anyone decides to jump on me for being a Nikon user, I do own a Pentax K5 and do like it, but Pentax is still far from the be-all, end-all Nikon/Canon sales killer.

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Oct 31, 2013 13:19:44   #
Greg K Loc: Iowa
 
I Agree. Cannon and Nikon Make Great Cameras and Lenses. I Use Pentax Because that's what I started with way back 30 years ago. I didn't mean that to say Pentax was better than the other Brands just How far Pentax has come.
MT Shooter wrote:
What I found interesting about this report when I first read it was the clear and obvious DOF difference between the Full Frame Nikon and the APS-C Pentax, the full frame clearly has much less DOF.
The difference in color representations are due to the totally different ways the two cameras process JPG images, this is nothing more than software and each can be internally modified to enhance or detract from the colors presented. The variations shooting in RAW are clearly much different.
Another report I read stated that the K3 is utilizing the same Sony sensor that Nikon uses in its D3200 body, but that masking by the OLPF causes the lower net MP rating of the Pentax.
I do find the in-camera IS system a handy tool when using legacy type MF lenses, of which there are MANY nice examples available at a fair price in the used market. But that the in-camera system is quite generalized and works better at specific focal lengths, whereas in lens stabilization is tuned to each specific lens and optimized for its own characteristics. This is likely why less than 7% of all DSLR and SLR type digital cameras sold today utilize in-camera stabilization and the vast majority use in-lens systems.
Before anyone decides to jump on me for being a Nikon user, I do own a Pentax K5 and do like it, but Pentax is still far from the be-all, end-all Nikon/Canon sales killer.
What I found interesting about this report when I ... (show quote)

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Oct 31, 2013 14:25:49   #
nitrophil Loc: Dayton, Ohio
 
I feel the same way you do, I love my K-10d, it's awesome!

TomballLegend wrote:
Would not trade my K10D for anything. She and I are joined at the hip.


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Oct 31, 2013 14:51:38   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Is "NOT ADVERTIZING" a problem?.. There will be geezers like you and me, mostly old, like you, that are independant thinkers, who don't need to travel with the masses, as they say. It is certainly NOT that they know better, it's just their security in numbers issue and insecurity with independant thinking, keeps them canon and neekon supporters.. I have yet to witness evidence of those brands superiority, have you??

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Oct 31, 2013 14:54:43   #
Greg K Loc: Iowa
 
I Would hate to Put a Pentax up aginst a Cannon 1D Mark III or a Nikon D4. I still love my Pentax
digit-up wrote:
Is "NOT ADVERTIZING" a problem?.. There will be geezers like you and me, mostly old, like you, that are independant thinkers, who don't need to travel with the masses, as they say. It is certainly NOT that they know better, it's just their security in numbers issue and insecurity with independant thinking, keeps them canon and neekon supporters.. I have yet to witness evidence of those brands superiority, have you??

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Oct 31, 2013 15:03:11   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
Greg: If you check some of the K5 II, IIs user reviews on Amazon, you'll see some comparisons with the Canon 5D, MIII with surprising (to the Canon folks) results. Also, Pentax Forums has some interesting comparison reviews of the K5, Nikon D700 and Canon 60D. Pentax has absolutely no reason at all to shy away from all the Nikon and Canon marketing ballywhoo that's been going on. Perhaps, the Ricoh management will be different.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:05:45   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
ALL good cameras, but to each his own..... Ive had em all, and am now a pentax FAN...

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Oct 31, 2013 15:07:56   #
Greg K Loc: Iowa
 
My K3 will be here the 5TH so that's where my loyalty lies
JayDog11 wrote:
Greg: If you check some of the K5 II, IIs user reviews on Amazon, you'll see some comparisons with the Canon 5D, MIII with surprising (to the Canon folks) results. Also, Pentax Forums has some interesting comparison reviews of the K5, Nikon D700 and Canon 60D. Pentax has absolutely no reason at all to shy away from all the Nikon and Canon marketing ballywhoo that's been going on. Perhaps, the Ricoh management will be different.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:09:20   #
schuchmn
 
boberic wrote:
I suspect ( have no reson to know however) that if Pentax came out with a camera with competitive with a Nikon d7100 or Canon 7d at 2/3 the price they couldn't keep up with the demand


Probably not. Canon and Nikon have something upwards of 95% of the DSLR market in the US. Unless you can convince a lot of them to jump ship, Pentax isn't likely to take off in a big way. Changing to another brand means changing lenses, flashes, etc. It's an expensive proposition.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:12:37   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
Based on the review record for Pentax DSLRs, I'm sure the K3 will get great reviews - I even think it may be judged as the best in its class. As a K5 user, I'm saving up for the K3 for a 2014 purchase, and I'll be able to use all my Pentax-based lenses. Best wishes and happy shooting with the K3.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:13:17   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
I'm envious. Come back with your reaction to the K-3 once you've had a chance to get the hang of it. I like the whole idea of it, and will await the reaction of you and other buyers/shooters of it. RJM come back next week, greg

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Oct 31, 2013 15:20:26   #
kwils Loc: Salem, Ma
 
schuchmn wrote:
Probably not. Canon and Nikon have something upwards of 95% of the DSLR market in the US. Unless you can convince a lot of them to jump ship, Pentax isn't likely to take off in a big way. Changing to another brand means changing lenses, flashes, etc. It's an expensive proposition.


I think you make a valid point. Once people are invested in a particular brand they tend to get locked in and that is a primary reason for continuing with a brand . So Nikon folks continue to buy Nikon and so on.
How about lens compatibility? All Pentax lenses fit all Pentax cameras including mirrorless. Is the same true for Nikon and Canon?

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Oct 31, 2013 15:21:37   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
True point, but for new DSLR users looking at a good value going forward, the new K3 should do very well. Also consider that, since Canon's and Nikon's manufacturing volume is huge, the more defective units they will release. Almost every day, I read about problems UHH members have with these products. If Pentax manufactured and sold as many units as Big Two, they too would be releasing more defective units. Pentax only needs to modetly increase its customer base, not try to compete in every Costco, drug store, local photo store, warehouse web site, etc.

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Oct 31, 2013 15:25:21   #
schuchmn
 
kwils wrote:
I think you make a valid point. Once people are invested in a particular brand they tend to get locked in and that is a primary reason for continuing with a brand . So Nikon folks continue to buy Nikon and so on.
How about lens compatibility? All Pentax lenses fit all Pentax cameras including mirrorless. Is the same true for Nikon and Canon?


Can't speak for Canon, but the Nikon F mount goes all the way back to 1959 and most of those lenses can be made to work on modern bodies in one fashion or another. The Nikon mirrorless systems have a different mount but there's an adapter to use all of the current Nikkor lenses as well.

And, BTW, the K-3 looks an awful lot like the D400 that Nikon should have had out at least a year ago.

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