American democracy wins (Page 6): If Ted Cruz and his idiot followers hadn't shut down the government with their ill conceived blackmail, there would have been no shutdown to begin...

KW Conch Loc: USA

yhtomit wrote:

I don't think it was the the president alone who was petulant and inflicted pain and suffering on the American people,it was the democrats who gave him their blessing to inflict as much pain as possible.I'll site the act of closing the WW2 memorial and allowed
illegal aliens to have their protest on government land.Sheeze,the president is not a true American.

If Ted Cruz and his idiot followers hadn't shut down the government with their ill conceived blackmail, there would have been no shutdown to begin with.

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

KW Conch wrote:

If Ted Cruz and his idiot followers hadn't shut down the government with their ill conceived blackmail, there would have been no shutdown to begin with.

Both Reid and his idiot followers and Obama and his idiot followers were more than eager to have the shutdown to score political points.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Bazbo wrote:

Then explain "christian faith and morality&qu... (show quote)

I have made no statement that says it is a requirement to have christian faith or morality.Where did I write this?
I'm happy that you attended school.English appears to have not of been your strong subject.
I think your the one who is strong on hate and drivel.Reread what you wrote.
I am accountable by standing by what I feel and what I wrote.Nothing more nothing less.

Two post graduate degrees and you still resort to sandbox dialog.
Hmmm...Give it one more try,reread it putting the word"understand" into it's proper context and you will see that I articulated the very essence of what America is or was.A melting pot for those who are willing to melt.Cheers,I look forward to your reply.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

KW Conch wrote:

If Ted Cruz and his idiot followers hadn't shut down the government with their ill conceived blackmail, there would have been no shutdown to begin with.

Ted Cruz exercised his constitutional obligation to his constituents,
Should that be made illegal?
What about the actions of the democrats choosing criminals over veterans?
Please defend their actions,it will be a great read.
This is a Mad Mad Mad Mad World isn't it.

KW Conch Loc: USA

yhtomit wrote:

Ted Cruz exercised his constitutional obligation to his constituents,
Should that be made illegal?
What about the actions of the democrats choosing criminals over veterans?
Please defend their actions,it will be a great read.
This is a Mad Mad Mad Mad World isn't it.

Cruz had a constitutional right, but it was bad for the country to use hostage taking as a tactic.
I am a veteran and I don't feel that the Democrats chose criminals over veterans. If the Republicans, let by Cruz, hadn't shut down the government, there would have been no need to close monuments.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

KW Conch wrote:

Cruz had a constitutional right, but it was bad for the country to use hostage taking as a tactic.
I am a veteran and I don't feel that the Democrats chose criminals over veterans. If the Republicans, let by Cruz, hadn't shut down the government, there would have been no need to close monuments.

How can you defend the indefensible? Did the government spend more money to close down those memorials than to keep them open?

Did they do it out of necessity or because they wanted to use Vets as a pawn in a political fight?

Can you give me an example of any other president stooping so low?

The word that I used to describe Obama the other day is the same word that I would use to describe him today and it is exactly because of behavior like this and his constant lying and divisive politics. You can act as if it does not happen, and chances are that you do not notice it as often as conservatives do... but you are bright, you have to see it.

He is the president, there is a higher expectation on the one who holds that office to rise above the fray and set an example for us all. IMO this president fails miserably.

Nice to see that after all this time he is going to on a limited basis allow people into our house.. What a swell guy and president.

KW Conch Loc: USA

KW Conch wrote:

Cruz had a constitutional right, but it was bad for the country to use hostage taking as a tactic.
I am a veteran and I don't feel that the Democrats chose criminals over veterans. If the Republicans, let by Cruz, hadn't shut down the government, there would have been no need to close monuments.

yhtomit wrote :

"In contrast, there are moderates Americans and liberal Americans. A moderate is one without firm conviction, willing to bend with popular ideas when he deems it beneficial."

It seems to me from my reading of American history that our Founding Fathers were willing to compromise. They each had strong ideas about the new country and the course it would take, but each man was willing to compromise for the greater good. Does this mean that they were moderates with no conviction ?
Contrast this with Ted Cruz and the TP purists who believe that compromise should not appear in their dictionary.

KW Conch Loc: USA

Blurryeyed wrote:

How can you defend the indefensible? Did the gove... (show quote)

I could be more sympathetic to some of your points if I didn't see so many rants from the right condemning Obama for doing some of the same things that his predecessors did.
He has been fought tooth and nail from the beginning by a Republican party who openly stated that they would oppose him on everything he proposed.
Limbaugh was calling for Obama's head even before he took the oath of office.
They even attack Michelle for advocating a cause, something that all first ladies do.
When Eleanor Roosevelt planted a White House garden it was a "victory garden", when Michelle Obama plants one it is a "communist plot".

jjwright71 Loc: Lubbock,Tx

GARGLEBLASTER wrote:

"Cajones" in Spanish means "drawers"

yep often misspelled ,it is spelled cojones (testes ,ect)

Dadyassa Loc: Spain

jjwright71 wrote:

yep often misspelled ,it is spelled cojones (testes ,ect)

Right word, wrong translation. :mrgreen:

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

KW Conch wrote:

I could be more sympathetic to some of your points... (show quote)

First off when Rush first said what he said about Obama it was apart of a larger statement in which he explained his opposition of Obama's policies and that he wanted Obama to fail. The failure that Rush was talking about was for the president to fail in instituting his policies, yes there is enough vitriol out there for both sides and certainly more than our country needs... But was does that have to do with the president intentionally shuttering public places especially the White House which has always been considered by the people of this country the People's House... He is indiscriminate in who he punishes but he punishes us, "We the People" when he does not get his way... I really do not care what anyone has to say about the president or even how vulgar or negative it may be, it does not excuse the actions that he has taken.

KW Conch Loc: USA

Blurryeyed wrote:

First off when Rush first said what he said about ... (show quote)

I do agree that open air monuments should not have been barricaded. I disagreed with Obama on that. I do think that Cruz and Palin made fools of themselves by showing up at the WWII memorial and complaining when they are they and their party was most responsible for the shutdown.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

KW Conch wrote:

I do agree that open air monuments should not have been barricaded. I disagreed with Obama on that. I do think that Cruz and Palin made fools of themselves by showing up at the WWII memorial and complaining when they are they and their party was most responsible for the shutdown.

The republicans were mostly responsible for the shutdown simply because it was the expectation that they would not do it... I disagree that the president should have not have negotiated as there have often been negotiations around the debt limit, in the end what the republicans were finally asking for is probably welcomed by most Americans who would support it and think if only fair, the one year delay of the personal mandate and that the executive order subsidizing congress be lifted... This is the only president that has refused to come to the table, you can talk about right and wrong until you are blue in the face but you cannot chance historical facts.

Yes, it was a mistake for Cruz to show up anywhere with Palin...

KW Conch Loc: USA

Blurryeyed wrote:

The republicans were mostly responsible for the sh... (show quote)

When the GOP fell back from defunding the ACA to delaying the mandate, I may have gone for it. I believe that the Democrats were so angry with the Cruz tactics that they were in no mood to compromise on anything. If Cruz was out of the picture things may have been different. After he lobbied the House, I think that it was difficult to go with anything he wanted. He is just as polarizing to the Democrats as Obama appears to be to the Republicans. Cruz will be the death of the GOP if he doesn't get more reasonable.

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

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DaveHam wrote:

br br I was in the US for the election; Obamaca... (show quote)

Well? Is this democracy at work?
Can an American from the republicans comment?