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Oct 18, 2013 11:23:03   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
Wall-E wrote:
NO!

The numbers you repeated are the focal length of the lenses.
The larger the number, the more it magnifies.

The 'speed' is specified by the f number and it's reversed from what you would think. A smaller number lets more light in than a higher number.
Most people shooting action sports buy lenses with f number of 2.8 or smaller. And the smaller the number the more they cost.

I rented a Nikon D7100 with a 70-300 f 2.8 for shooting High School football under the lights. As with any higher level camera, it takes a while to get used to it and understand how to make it do what you want, but the images are pretty good.

As someone else mentioned, I would suggest you consider a Nikon D7000. It's an older version of the D7100.
Adorama (a very reputable dealer) has a kit with a 55-200mm lens for just over $1000, with a $200 rebate, putting it right in your range.
http://www.adorama.com/INKD7000L4.html

Whatever you end up purchasing, I *STRONGLY* recommend that you get some hands-on training on how to use your new camera. And how to deal with the images it makes.
NO! br br The numbers you repeated are the focal ... (show quote)


Great advice. Get as much knowledge as you can, and practice as much as you can. I didn't look to see where you're from, but in the US we have Meetup groups that are great for photographers.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:32:28   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
charles brown wrote:
Your budget is approximately $1,200. Some suggestions.

First, go to a good camera store to test as many cameras as you can. Even Best buy is better than nothing. How the camera feels in you hands will be an important factor.

Second, do as much reading/research as possible beforehand so that you will have some idea as to what the salesperson is talking about.

Third, an inexpensive body using a great lens will take much better photos that an expensive body with an average lens. These days the glass is everything inasmuch as entry level bodies can take great photos with the right lens.

Fourth, while most here use Canon or Nikon, be willing to look at other makes. The new Olympus is a great camera, Sony and Pentax also make some very good cameras.

Fifth, an f4 lens is the slowest you want to buy. For tack sharp action the f2.8 is by far the best way to go. As for me would get the 70-200 f2.8 to start with. Even a used one if necessary.

Lastly, While $1200 seems like a lot, to get outstanding action photos in all kinds of light you may have to up the budget. Good glass is not cheap. And I can almost guarantee that if you start out with lesser quality lenses you will soon be wanting to or even upgrading the glass. While spending more at first may hurt you will save a lot in the long run.

Best of luck and be sure to have fun.
Your budget is approximately $1,200. Some suggest... (show quote)


I can't agree more, except maybe with the 2.8 recommendation. That's a budget buster right there, and although a GREAT piece of glass, the slower version in MUCH cheaper, and with the great in-camera noise reduction now days, she can use a higher ISO to get the results she wants. Combine that with software noise reduction (lightroom works wonders), and she making a huge savings. Of course, if she can afford the 2.8, jump on it.

But wholeheartedly agree with spending the money upfront and take the pain now, instead of the regret of not having the right equipment.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:34:03   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
jennihunnicutt wrote:
Wow, thanks so much! I have very little confidence in making this investment since I know so little but your advice makes me feel much better!!!! I will do more research and learning as well as looking at many choices, not just what might be the most well known brands. I appreciate your time to help!!!


But since you're a math teacher, you're going to get this photography thing pretty quickly. It's all numbers.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:37:23   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Jen, welcome to the Hog.
Don't know if you have looked at any equipment yet, but you will see that $1200+ just doesn't go very far. The two most expensive pursuits are wildlife and sports.
Maybe you can get your kids to switch to the chess club!
I think your major consideration is going to be the lens. You need long and fast to get rid of that fence.
But FYI, a good lens, if you use it for a year or more will sell used for close to what you payed for it, then a more appropriate night lens can be purchased when the time comes. Lenses are NOT like new cars, that when you drive it off the showroom floor, thay are already worthless.
So, a lens such as an f4 that works great in daylight but not so well for night games, can be replaced at a later date with a very minimal depreciation.
If your shots tend to be static, even inexpensive bodies should do a pretty good job. If you're trying to get base runners sliding, or the second baseman jumping over a slider and throwing to first, it will be much more critical that you have a sports body. Sports bodies have special focusing systems that track the fast action better than regular bodies but tend to cost more.
For a less expensive package, I recommend you look at a Canon 7D and a non IS 70-200, F4 zoom. Good for daylight. Refurbished and on loyalty from Canon the body is about $1000. The lens refubed is about $600.
A note, though the Sigma lenses being recommended are much cheaper than the comparable Canon model, they also tend to be much heavier. Meaning you can loose the versatality of hand holding a lens and be forced to use a tripod.
I believe, though I'm not so familiar with it, that tha Canon 50d body is a pretty good sports body and much cheaper, but not sure of its megapixels. Maybe someone can chime in on the 50d.
FYI, sports bodies focus better and have very high frames per second abilities.
Hope this might have helped.
Jen, again welcome to the Hog.
SS
Jen, welcome to the Hog. br Don't know if you hav... (show quote)


I second that.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:37:32   #
D-Train Loc: Bend, Oregon
 
Wall-E wrote:
NO!

The numbers you repeated are the focal length of the lenses.
The larger the number, the more it magnifies.

The 'speed' is specified by the f number and it's reversed from what you would think. A smaller number lets more light in than a higher number.
Most people shooting action sports buy lenses with f number of 2.8 or smaller. And the smaller the number the more they cost.

I rented a Nikon D7100 with a 70-300 f 2.8 for shooting High School football under the lights. As with any higher level camera, it takes a while to get used to it and understand how to make it do what you want, but the images are pretty good.

As someone else mentioned, I would suggest you consider a Nikon D7000. It's an older version of the D7100.
Adorama (a very reputable dealer) has a kit with a 55-200mm lens for just over $1000, with a $200 rebate, putting it right in your range.
http://www.adorama.com/INKD7000L4.html

Whatever you end up purchasing, I *STRONGLY* recommend that you get some hands-on training on how to use your new camera. And how to deal with the images it makes.
NO! br br The numbers you repeated are the focal ... (show quote)


I agree with the above (without reading the next 4 pages of responses first) but I would suggest instead of the 70-200 lens, get just the body for $684, then get a 70-300mm lens. If you're sitting in the bleachers and trying to take a photo of your son catching a fly ball in the outfield a 200mm lens isn't going to get you close enough. You'll be thankful if you have a lens with a higher powered zoom. Keep in mind that the more you zoom in the more you have to worry about vibrations, this is where having a lens with a wider maximum aperture comes in handy, because the wider you can open the aperture the faster shutter speed you can use, and the faster the shutter speed the better chance you have of getting a sharp photo. You also might look into a tripod to reduce vibration. Also lenses that have "VR" in the model # have vibration reduction built in.
So, to sum up, lots of zoom, large maximum aperture, vibration reduction built into the lens and a tripod. Don't worry about lighting. I've never seen a baseball game that didn't have a LOT of light! Hope this helps!

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Oct 18, 2013 11:42:07   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
davidrb wrote:
8-) 8-) 8-) Some folks will advise using different lenses depending on whether the ball is hit to the outfield or the infield. :lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL!

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Oct 18, 2013 11:50:36   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
CurreyPhoto wrote:
Jenni,

Welcome to UHH. Nobody has yet answered your initial question. So, the best camera for sports shooting from Nikon is the D4 and the best from Canon is the 1Dx. The both shoot at a very high frame rate and at a very high ISO, both of which are critical to shooting sports. The best lens for sport shooting is less certain. For me it would be the 70-200 f2.8. Both Canon and Nikon make excellent ones. The argument for buying one or the other of these cameras and lens is that either will fit your needs for several years and you will not end up buying and selling several cameras and lenses only to end up where you could have been from the beginning.

I understand that it is daunting to think about spending that much money and being wrong, so, I suggest buying used or refurbished. A very good Nikon for fast frame rate and pretty good high ISO is the D3 model. I am sure that Canon has comparable models, but I am not sufficiently familiar with them to offer advice. Others here are, though. My last suggestion is to make dPreview. com you favorite web site, next to UHH, of course. You will be able to compare size, weight and picture quality of all recent and many older cameras, so you will not have to guess about what the various camera models can do. You should also google "sports shooters"' look at the pictures and see what equipment was used.

Good luck in your search, keep asking us questions and let us know what you decide on and how it works out.
Jenni, br br Welcome to UHH. Nobody has yet answe... (show quote)


Well, I think people were best answering her question based on her budget. You just recommended a 10k system to a novice. Many seasoned pros don't even shoot with the D4 or the Canon 1Dx. But yes, you're right; They are the best cameras for sports, and if she's going to be shooting Monday Night Football or the NLCS for SI, then by all means, she needs to go out and get that rig.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:52:10   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
sueyeisert wrote:
I shot college football. I'd recommend 70-300mm with vr. And I love my Sigma 17-50mm f 2.8 lens which is on my Nikon all the time. Don't forget you need a monopod.


Anyone try the Sigma 50-500? I'm curious.

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Oct 18, 2013 11:54:26   #
A. J. Loc: PA. USA
 
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Pentony wrote:
Everybody has their own opinion. The only opinion which counts is yours. You have to do your own research. What is recommended by someone may not fit your needs.

For now put aside your budget. From a point and shoot camera (P&S), start reviewing bridge cameras with an attached zoom lens. Review online then go to brick and mortar (photo) store to hand hold cameras for your comfort level and your budget.

No matter what you purchase, it won't be your last camera because you will grow. Keep your P&S as a backup camera

As far as shooting through a fence?
1. try to avoid it or
2. get up as close to the fence as you can (lens hood on the fence ~ see note below) or
3. get into post processing (PP).

Note: a bridge camera may not have a lens hood, so if possible attached a UV or clear filter on lens. Hoods and filters are for protecting the lens from damage.

You have to do your own research. After you find two, three or four cameras you like, go on line and use sites which will compare cameras.

No matter which camera you choose, you can't go wrong. Master that camera, then upgrade to another camera, keeping the previous camera as a backup.

Keep in mind that you're use to have a light weight P&S which fits in your pocket or purse. With a bridge or a DSLR you may not have that convenience. Have fun.
Everybody has their own opinion. The only opinion... (show quote)




Hi Jenni.........There is a lot to be said for point & shoot "bridge" camera, the Canon SX50 HS has a 50X optical attached zoom lens and can shoot raw images. I know WalMart is not the least expensive, but they have the Canon Rebel T3i and the Canon SX50 which you can hold in your hands and get the feel of.

For the most bang for your buck, buy on line, (B&H or Adormama, 42nd Street Photo, ect.), they don't charge tax and they are less expensive than most local stores.

I have a pocket Canon SX260 HS with a 20X optical zoom, and also, have a Canon SX40 HS "bridge" camera with a 35X optical zoom, and I upgraded to a Canon Rebel T4i DSLR camera with a Canon 70-300 f4 5 6 zoom lens, this lens is good for daytime shooting. Nighttime shooting, on the other hand, is where you get into BIG bucks with a possible 70-200 f2.8 lens.which will accept the added "magnifying" teleconverter.

My next upgrade will be the Canon 7D DSLR camera because it shoots (more) 8 Frames per Second, which is better and faster for action photography. My Canon Rebel T4i shoots 4 Frames per Second.

Hope this helps, I tried not to be too technical.

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Oct 18, 2013 12:03:24   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
wteffey wrote:
Ah, the wonderfulness of on-line recommendations. Ask for something in the $1,200 range (still a lot of $ for most people) and we get recommendations for a $2,600 lens.


LOL! No kidding.

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Oct 18, 2013 12:05:45   #
Bellisari Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Based on your budget a Nikon 70-200 F4 (2.8 is double your budget) you can also add a teleconverter 1.7 or 2.0. I've been shooting sports for twenty plus years and I uas a Nikon F2.8 - 70-200 previously I used a Nikon 70-300 the new one with VR is also a good choice but somewhat slower with a F4.5-5.6 good for outdoors can be used indoors with good speed light.

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Oct 18, 2013 12:08:20   #
docjoque Loc: SoCal
 
Pentony wrote:
Everybody has their own opinion. The only opinion which counts is yours. You have to do your own research. What is recommended by someone may not fit your needs.

For now put aside your budget. From a point and shoot camera (P&S), start reviewing bridge cameras with an attached zoom lens. Review online then go to brick and mortar (photo) store to hand hold cameras for your comfort level and your budget.

No matter what you purchase, it won't be your last camera because you will grow. Keep your P&S as a backup camera

As far as shooting through a fence?
1. try to avoid it or
2. get up as close to the fence as you can (lens hood on the fence ~ see note below) or
3. get into post processing (PP).

Note: a bridge camera may not have a lens hood, so if possible attached a UV or clear filter on lens. Hoods and filters are for protecting the lens from damage.

You have to do your own research. After you find two, three or four cameras you like, go on line and use sites which will compare cameras.

No matter which camera you choose, you can't go wrong. Master that camera, then upgrade to another camera, keeping the previous camera as a backup.

Keep in mind that you're use to have a light weight P&S which fits in your pocket or purse. With a bridge or a DSLR you may not have that convenience. Have fun.
Everybody has their own opinion. The only opinion... (show quote)


Great advice.

Also, if you like the Brick and Mortar store, ask if they will match online prices. Many will do so now. That way, you get a great price, but still get the knowledge of the store employees and someone to help you out when you get stuck.

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Oct 18, 2013 12:16:46   #
D-Train Loc: Bend, Oregon
 
micolh wrote:
If you can get this Idiot Piers Morgan back to the UK, I will buy you any piece of glass you want.


ROFL!!! +1

:lol:

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Oct 18, 2013 12:27:38   #
Paris Loc: Iowa
 
I would go with the nikon d7000, just body around 900.00, i think and a nikon 28-300 F/3.5mm 1050.00 ,
second the 70-300mm f/4.5
about 590.00 and if you have the money I would get the 70-200mm f/2.8 tamron around 1500.00. If you notice at the end of the focal length of lense is a f/ and a number. the lower that number the more light the lens lets in but they cost more also. And if this still confusing to you I would go to a reputable camera store, tell them what you want the camera for and the amount of money you want to spend and they should guide you to what you need. Good Luck

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Oct 18, 2013 12:29:23   #
bewithabob Loc: Dallas TX
 
Flipper2012 wrote:
Hi Jenni,because you budget is 1200 dollars and to satisfy you needs as of right now I would suggest a used or refurbished Nikon D7000 and a Tamaron 18-270 lens. With the crop factor of the D7000 the 270mm will be equivalent to 410mm which will nicely get you going. You can progress into a faster 2.8 lens when the time requires it as they are very expensive. I sure you will be happy with what I suggested as you will get a wide angle and good telephoto along with nice clear photos and within your budget.
Hi Jenni,because you budget is 1200 dollars and to... (show quote)


This is the most sensible answer I have read here. Budget is the gating factor . I think for the OP is asking "Best value within my budget", not 'best' Some responses that suggest a D4, or a D800 are absurd, because those camera bodies are not available at even ½ her price range.

The Nikon D7000 got rave reviews when it was introduced a few years ago, and it is available now refurbished at ridiculously low prices making it a best value camera body with lots of extras, an excellent focus system, and fast shutter for multi-frame rate.

One could pick up a Nikon 70-300 lens used, from KEH with Vibration reduction. A good lens for this purpose and a reasonable price just $99! http://www.keh.com/camera/Nikon-Autofocus-Zoom-Lenses/1/sku-NA07999036687J5?r=FE

I would not be too concerned with getting a lens that is f2.8 or even f.4.0, since she can boost ISO and get very good results even in stadium lighting conditions. Nikon's image sensor is equal to the task.

One thing I would add for the OP however, (which some others have already commented on), is to account for the following items in your budget in addition to your camera and lens

1) Fast SDHC memory cards (buy two)
2) A tripod or monopod. (helpful when shooting a long lens)
3) Some type of lens cleaner like a Lens Pen to keep your lens clean.
4) An inexpensive camera bag for carrying around your camera and lens stuff

When you add those things into your budget on top of your camera and lens, you will just be squeaking by on your budget, but you will be set up for taking great images.

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