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Jan 6, 2012 09:59:34   #
rready
 
how do u reformat card?

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Jan 6, 2012 10:01:47   #
oldanalyst
 
Sunrisepano wrote:
There is a photo school teacher in the Chicago area led by Will Crockett called Shoot Smarter Not Harder, www.shootsmarter.com. Several years ago while teaching a class, students were editing and erasing individual images as they shot. When they tried downloading into the computer, the entire card was corrupted and everything was lost. In fact the card was worthless and had to be thrown out.

Personally, I have not experienced this problem and occasionally have erased individual images as I shot.

I still do not recommend erasing on site and prefer to wait until all are loaded onto the computer and erase on the computer. I shoot for a studio and I manage the files on the computer. Some of the other photographers have been at a dance photographing couples. As they shoot, they may notice someone blinked and take another shot and then erase.

Unfortunately, I find that the photographer has erased both images of the one couple leaving me with nothing. Or, they the other person blinked on the second shot and he/she did not catch it. If I had both, I could have transferred the open eyes from one photo to the other.

Sometimes, on the tiny screen of the camera (even though they may magnify the vue) they miss something, or due to the pressure of time while trying to shoot many couples in a short amount of time at a dance, mistakes are made.

Then there is the story of a famous wedding photographer who was givin a digital camera by a major camera maufacturer to test out before going to production. He found two problems; one with the camera and one with himself. He went to erase a photo by pushing the button and nothing happened. He pushed the button a second time. Well, this was one of the first pro cameras and it had a slowere processor. If he had waited it would have eventually erased the photo. But, pushing the erase button the second time told the camera to erase ALL the photos. Thanks to his testing, this is no longer a problem with cameras today.

The other problem is that he spent so much time looking at the photos and editing that he was missing many other photo opportunities.

My conclusion, with the large cards available today, the speed of cameras and computers, and the possiblility of human error, it is better to do the editing after downloading onto the computer. If you edit after downloading and accidentally erase the wrong image, it is still on the camera card.
There is a photo school teacher in the Chicago are... (show quote)


I agree with this approach. I have had 5 different digital cameras and my wife has had 2. Because I was running out of space, I decided to use the camera to delete a poor underwater video taken in Panama. Short story - I deleted the wrong video. After that, I have a policy of making sure I have enough high capacity SD cards with me and to do my deleting after downloading to my computer. For really critical pictures, I make a CD or DVD and check to make sure all has been copied before deleting material from cards at my computer. My one significant error has made me cautious. I have not had a problem for years with travels to 5 different countries and over-photographing four grand-kids.

People indicating that you can cause problems by removing and replacing cards or cables are probably not referring to current types of reasonable quality cameras, cards, card readers and cables used by most people reading these posts.

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Jan 6, 2012 10:02:49   #
Jim Tolliver Loc: Loveland, Ohio
 
Spot on Correct

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Jan 6, 2012 10:18:18   #
kschwegl Loc: Orangeburg, NY
 
Erasing (deleting) photos from the card or camera does no harm. You do not need to reformat either. If you have a media reader on your computer, the card will appear as another hard drive.

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Jan 6, 2012 10:20:55   #
kschwegl Loc: Orangeburg, NY
 
There's no need to reformat the card. Once deleted, you get the storage back.

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Jan 6, 2012 10:21:01   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
There is no problem "erasing" individual images. Scott Kelby highly recommends deleting as you go.

Otherwise is one of those urban legends.

This may be more than you want to know but: neither "erasing" nor "reformatting" actually removes images from your card. It only affects the "menu" that points to them. They are still there till you take new pics over them. There is software that will let you recover whatever hasn't been written over including from a card that has been reformatted.

GayleSalamone wrote:
Does erasing individual photos from the camera do any damage to the compact flash card or sensor? I've been told not to do this but reformat instead. I'd rather cul out the bad pictures before downloading to my computer 100 or more. After downloading, I'm willing to either erase all or reformat.

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Jan 6, 2012 10:25:16   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Believe what makes you happy but this time your salesman is wrong.

I am more inclined to trust the hundreds of Engineers at companies like Nikon that design the external links and provide the USB cables along with the cameras. Few salesmen have degrees and experience in electronic design. The camera companies wouldn't spend the money on the socket and wire if it didn't make sense to use.

To some other comments: there is no limit on how many times you use your SD card electronically. It can suffer mechanical wear from removal and insertion.

I also don't believe there is a practical limit on how many times you can recharge your batteries: you won't wear them out. They will experience reduced capacity with aging so you may want to replace them after a few years. There is significant variabilty from battery to battery on how long they last.

Li-ion batteries do not have the discharge/charge "memory" problem that Ni-Cads had; i.e. where if you recharge with only a small use of the battery then its capacity to charge changes over time. Here's more than most of you probably ever want to know on them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

I always have one on the charger and one in the camera and switch or take along the charged one whenever going on a significant shoot.

Back on topic: my wife bought me a new 32GB card for Christmas. I don't think I'll ever take it out of the camera. One reason to not do so is that I have already wandered off with may camera with the card back in the comptuer. (Fortunately had a spare in tha bag.)

MWAC wrote:
I've been told to always remove the card from my camera and load directly from the card to the computer, never to download using a cable from the camera to the computer. The nice sales man at the camera store told me to do so, I can't recall the full reason but it had something to do with if there ever was a misread from the computer to the camera I could fry the little computer peices in the camera.

I trust my sales man, he's never lead me wrong yet.

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Jan 6, 2012 10:38:11   #
kintekobo Loc: Maidenhead, England
 
I'm afraid it is nothing to do with modern cards/readers being better than older models, the reason for damage when inserting cards is twofold. One is the obvious contact wear that occurs every time the contacts make and break. However the worse problem is the chance, small though it may be, that the card will be inserted incorrectly and bend the contacts. If this happens on the card reader no problem, just buy a new reader. If it happens on the camera that can be a different story altogether. I wouldn't like to try repairing the contacts on my Nikon and I'm not sure if it would be covered under the warranty.
Small though these chances are I would rather not take them for what comes down to waiting a few seconds more while it transfers via USB, and the tiny amount of extra drain on the batteries. Even for Nikon, who are not shy when it comes to eye-watering prices, a new battery is only £50, and I have done a rough calculation which shows that I will probably shorten my battery life from 500,000 pictures (to 75% of new capacity) to about 450,000 pictures.
I think that this is one of those topics where there are two schools of thought and each camp is a devoted follower of their method. And long may it be so! I would hate to live in a society where everyone thought the same :-D

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Jan 6, 2012 10:40:42   #
PHFoto Loc: Idaho
 
lleach wrote:
There is no problem "erasing" individual images. Scott Kelby highly recommends deleting as you go.

Otherwise is one of those urban legends.

This may be more than you want to know but: neither "erasing" nor "reformatting" actually removes images from your card. It only affects the "menu" that points to them. They are still there till you take new pics over them. There is software that will let you recover whatever hasn't been written over including from a card that has been reformatted.

GayleSalamone wrote:
Does erasing individual photos from the camera do any damage to the compact flash card or sensor? I've been told not to do this but reformat instead. I'd rather cul out the bad pictures before downloading to my computer 100 or more. After downloading, I'm willing to either erase all or reformat.
There is no problem "erasing" individual... (show quote)


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Jan 6, 2012 11:04:15   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Bt erasing images in camera you leave empty spots which can lead to fragmentation of the card after awhile. It does not hurt anything, but can reduce the useable capacity of that card temporarily. Fortunately, once you download the photos you kept and reformat the card, you have a clean slate to work with once again. Nothing to worry about now except bending pins.


It does not actually erase the file, it merely makes the space available for writing another file. That is why Computer Forensics can recover "deleted" files. I too think you would be better loading the files onto the computer then purging from there. I was told years ago in a digital camera class that you should reformat a memory card every time you empty it onto the computer. If you don't you are inviting a problem on down the line.

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Jan 6, 2012 11:29:06   #
One Jughead Loc: Greene County, OH
 
imntrt1 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Bt erasing images in camera you leave empty spots which can lead to fragmentation of the card after awhile. It does not hurt anything, but can reduce the useable capacity of that card temporarily. Fortunately, once you download the photos you kept and reformat the card, you have a clean slate to work with once again. Nothing to worry about now except bending pins.


It does not actually erase the file, it merely makes the space available for writing another file. That is why Computer Forensics can recover "deleted" files. I too think you would be better loading the files onto the computer then purging from there. I was told years ago in a digital camera class that you should reformat a memory card every time you empty it onto the computer. If you don't you are inviting a problem on down the line.
quote=MT Shooter Bt erasing images in camera you ... (show quote)


I have had mine for more than four years and haven't any problem with a card not being formatted after every use.
Have formatted it originally and once since. Have to re-format the card when the image counter reaches 9999. And am still going on the second format - erasing all images when I have them downloaded to the pc.

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Jan 6, 2012 11:34:26   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
GayleSalamone wrote:
Does erasing individual photos from the camera do any damage to the compact flash card or sensor? I've been told not to do this but reformat instead. I'd rather cul out the bad pictures before downloading to my computer 100 or more. After downloading, I'm willing to either erase all or reformat.
This does not damage your card. The only thing it does is 'create virtual holes' and when you take more pictures, fragmentation. For such a small card that has no moving parts it does not make any difference. If you find a slow down after a looooong while, just save everything to your computer, reformat the card and you are back in business. (Note that I would wonder how you would notice the speed difference here)

Only things you have to be concerned about is possible oxidation (rare now a day) and bent contacts when changing cards, also rare if you take a minimum of precaution, like looking at what you are doing.

Too many myths running around.

As to the 'picture is still there' don't worry about that the next picture you take will take it's place so, while the data being latent that space is available. The information is good here ONLY if you want to retrieve an erased picture(s) and only if you did not take a series of pictures before the fearful 'oops!'. Uninteresting computer stuff in a photo forum.

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Jan 6, 2012 12:25:49   #
senad55verizon.net Loc: Milford, NJ
 
As mentioned above, no problem deleting files on your computer, and reformatting in your camera.

What can be really problematical is reformatting the card in your computer. You might (or might not) be able to read it in your camera. If you can't read it in your camera, you probably can't reformat it.

Just a caution!

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Jan 6, 2012 12:31:13   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
English_Wolf wrote:
GayleSalamone wrote:
Does erasing individual photos from the camera do any damage to the compact flash card or sensor? I've been told not to do this but reformat instead. I'd rather cul out the bad pictures before downloading to my computer 100 or more. After downloading, I'm willing to either erase all or reformat.
This does not damage your card. The only thing it does is 'create virtual holes' and when you take more pictures, fragmentation. For such a small card that has no moving parts it does not make any difference. If you find a slow down after a looooong while, just save everything to your computer, reformat the card and you are back in business. (Note that I would wonder how you would notice the speed difference here)

Only things you have to be concerned about is possible oxidation (rare now a day) and bent contacts when changing cards, also rare if you take a minimum of precaution, like looking at what you are doing.

Too many myths running around.

As to the 'picture is still there' don't worry about that the next picture you take will take it's place so, while the data being latent that space is available. The information is good here ONLY if you want to retrieve an erased picture(s) and only if you did not take a series of pictures before the fearful 'oops!'. Uninteresting computer stuff in a photo forum.
quote=GayleSalamone Does erasing individual photo... (show quote)


Not necessarily true The next picture does not go into the "empty space" every time. If that were true we would not be able to recover data from hard drives if the computer had ever been booted up in windows because windows writes something every time it is used. I have recovered pictures from memory cards that had been used since the one I wanted was "erased." A Canon Camera Rep told me that if you do not format every time you start over on a card you are flirting with losing all data on the card from corrupt files.

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Jan 6, 2012 12:46:57   #
Phyllis Loc: NE PA
 
ebaribeault wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
photophly wrote:
Hi....no erasing photos does no damage to your card at all.I have been doing it for years.After I download them to my computer,then I reformate the card


I think the question is Erase vs. Format..You should Format the card. that is the cleanest way to do it.

You can ERASE individual images as you go, if you want, bt after everything is on your hard drive(s). then Format.


I agree


Me, too.

:) :)

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