Aussie's win Americas cup
Sep 27, 2013 13:27:03 #
Sep 27, 2013 13:30:18 #
theobennett
Loc: Sumatra
ozdude wrote:
Unfortunately New Zealand is now bankrupt. I can see the boats heading this way from here. LOL
Damn. Again. I'm doing this by phone oad. Will resist the urge.
Are you speaking literally? Financial, moral or political? When did NZ declare bankruptcy?
Sep 27, 2013 13:33:14 #
theobennett
Loc: Sumatra
Rongnongno wrote:
A much broader issue is totally ignored here and c... (show quote)
Good and valid points.
Up to a point, that is: the last one about "reasoning".
There are splendid benefits for consumers to be had from F1 and World Cup Car Rallying motor sport and from high-end sailing competition.
These include offsets for secondary industry, and small business R&D. The spinoff benefits are legion.
In sailing, Tasmania is home to more than a few.As is NZ.
On more visible scale, call by any serious yacht club and check out the moorings.
Same same the very many port moorings around coastal Australia, NZ, USA, Latin America, The Caribbean, Italy, France, etc.
Touring sailboats are aplenty. New technology and design experience is part of a very large industry.
It's a hoary idea that what might have come in via the military or aerospace is arguable. But it's not dominant.
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Sep 27, 2013 14:06:24 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
The USA also got breaks from above in the form of kamikazes which literally means "divine wind." The Kiwis were at 'match point" for eight races. In one of those, with the Kiwis having a big lead, the wind exceeded the safety limits and the race was cancelled just before the all-important leg 4. In another race, with the Kiwis minutes from victory, the race was cancelled because the low winds caused the total race time to exceed the limit (yeah, they have such an idiotic rule!).
It's kind of ridiculous to bellyache about Oracle's money, when New Zealand was funded by the super rich Arab oil country, the Arab Emirates.
What everyone also seems to overlook is that the Americans out-thought the Kiwis in the starts and other strategies. Indeed, in one of the last races the Kiwis even resorted to ramming the American boat. The Americans also strikingly out-sailed the Kiwis, most notably in the upwind leg, where in several races the Americans made up a deficit and then grew their own lead to half a mile and more.
It was the greatest comeback in the history of yachting.
It's kind of ridiculous to bellyache about Oracle's money, when New Zealand was funded by the super rich Arab oil country, the Arab Emirates.
What everyone also seems to overlook is that the Americans out-thought the Kiwis in the starts and other strategies. Indeed, in one of the last races the Kiwis even resorted to ramming the American boat. The Americans also strikingly out-sailed the Kiwis, most notably in the upwind leg, where in several races the Americans made up a deficit and then grew their own lead to half a mile and more.
It was the greatest comeback in the history of yachting.
Sep 27, 2013 14:53:22 #
Geez, Can't we all be proud of a job well done ? Re money being a deciding factor; from the start of this "sport" it's been that way, so what's with the sour grapes ?
Sep 27, 2013 15:04:28 #
Wkndr
Loc: Sitka, Alaska
jfrank wrote:
I stopped caring a long time ago when they stopped using "real" sailboats. Sailors wearing helmets??? And what does EMIRATES mean in Emirates Team NZ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_New_Zealand
Sep 27, 2013 15:04:51 #
theobennett
Loc: Sumatra
rrforster12 wrote:
Geez, Can't we all be proud of a job well done ? Re money being a deciding factor; from the start of this "sport" it's been that way, so what's with the sour grapes ?
Yay...! Second that...!
Sep 27, 2013 15:11:31 #
theobennett
Loc: Sumatra
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
The USA also got breaks from above in the form of ... (show quote)
Mmmmm..... "The greatest comeback in the history of yachting"...?
You had me with you all the way up to that point of hyperbole. It was a good fightback. Granted. But, "the greatest"...?
Still, the economic spinoffs for New Zeland's maritime shipbuilding industry are already proven.
As for the sporting loss: After such a hard-fought contest New Zealand's Prime Minister tweeted from his New York vantage just one wry word: "Bugger...!"
Sep 27, 2013 17:54:23 #
TucsonCoyote wrote:
So the Aussies are sore because they got beat by the New Zealanders then .....got beat by a bunch of Islanders hired by the US!??
Or are Aussies and Kiwis interchangeable ??
Or are Aussies and Kiwis interchangeable ??
The aussies think we are. From Russell Crowe to Pavlova.
Definetly, certainly, surely and every other superlative -
New Zealanders are not Australians :)
Sep 27, 2013 18:19:01 #
TonyP wrote:
The aussies think we are. From Russell Crowe to Pavlova.
Definetly, certainly, surely and every other superlative -
New Zealanders are not Australians :)
Definetly, certainly, surely and every other superlative -
New Zealanders are not Australians :)
You proud sonofabitch you ! :thumbup:
Sep 27, 2013 18:22:49 #
ozdude wrote:
Unfortunately New Zealand is now bankrupt. I can see the boats heading this way from here. LOL
You wish.
Over 80 New Zealanders (including Russell Coutts, the guy who has won more America Cup Regattas than anyone), NZ technology and most importantly, a New Zealand challenge.
Where was Australia?
Oh thats right, Australia couldnt afford a challenge :)
NZ budget in the vicinity of NZ$100 million.
Ellison spent over 1 Billion from his.
We may not have won the Cup, this time, but we gave it a go.
And for an update on that rather mysterious, miraculous improvement in Oracles performance, read this:
http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup:-Speculation-on-Oracle-Team-USAs-foiling-system/115070 :-(
The very first race the yacht 'America' won, was a dodgy decision(they missed going around a mark) and ever since there has been controversy.
Once again it appears questions are being raised.
You might note however, Team New Zealand are not the ones raising the questions :thumbup:
Sep 27, 2013 18:31:23 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
br br It's kind of ridiculous to bellyache about... (show quote)
What silly misinformed comments.
And by the way, Emirates does not meanThe Arab Emirates.
Its the name of an airline.
TNZ did not ram Oracle. Oracle forced the penalty, all within the rules.
The Americans (what Americans, there was only one on the boat), did not out sail TNZ. They just had more speed.
Sep 27, 2013 18:40:22 #
TucsonCoyote wrote:
You proud sonofabitch you ! :thumbup:
Yep, sure am.
But dont get me wrong, Aussies and NZers are the best of mates.
Just very competitive :)
ANZAC is alive and well. :thumbup:
Sep 27, 2013 19:13:05 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
Wkndr wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_New_Zealand
If I were half flying half sailing at 45 knots in an insanely over-canvassed catamaran I'd wear a helmet, too! The helmets also contain radio equipment and protect the sailors from wind noise. If the boat capsizes (which has happened in the past with lethal results) the helmets will likely save lives, as would the small canister of air that each sailor carries.
As to the Arab Emirates, they sponsored New Zealand. These boats are expensive but for oil-rich Arab countries, it's chump change.
Sep 27, 2013 19:17:46 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
If I were half flying half sailing at 45 knots in ... (show quote)
Once again, the Arab Emirates DID NOT sponsor New Zealand!
It was the airline that was the sponsor.
BIG difference.
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