Panetta is a one world government guy and his daughter I was a Chavez lover does that tell u anything ?
bgl
Loc: Brooklyn,New York
Cragzop wrote:
Like in George Bernard?
you know he means the Sha (am I spelling it right?)
Involvement in Syria is a "No Win" situation for the USA. Assad is a Dictator and a Thug, but to get rid of him would create another vacuum that would surely be filled by the Islamist Radicals who are our sworn enemy. Helping the Rebels is actually helping Al Quida which has infiltrated and taken over the rebellion. The USA has provided the Blood, Sweat, and Tears and treasury to change the governments of Iraq, and Libya, only to lose the peace to the Radicals. Unless the USA decides to act as a conquering Nation as the Roman Empire did by not only defeating the enemy but occupy their territory and govern it as we did after WWII, will peace be IMPOSED in the Mid-East. To do so would in this day and Age be unthinkable for the USA, but any military alternative is a pure waste of our assets. One only needs to look at Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc to see the results for the USA, of our involvements in Foreign Wars. We have bankrupted our Country and earned the enmity and scorn of most of the world. Our Call To War should only be answered if and when there is a clear and present danger to our Country. Anything else is just meddling. And that's my opinion!
Cragzop wrote:
Closer. Shah.
I meant no disrespect.
I don't think you're right, but I still don't get it...
KW Conch wrote:
Are you speaking of Bush and Iraq ?
No KW, you have read enough of my posts here to well know that I am no apologist for GW, even though I think that he has more integrity in his little finger than our current president has exhibited in his entire life. Having said that Bush made several mistakes, but at least when he took us into Iraq he had the support of the nation, our congress, and the commitment of some 3 dozen nations who provided both financial and troop support for his effort even though it was misguided.
Yes, the dems can say that it was all based on lies but that is BS, the FBI interviews of Saddam lend insight as to why the intelligence was wrong, take the time and look it up, CBS did a long article on it. But that in and of itself does not make it right. He was wrong to put us in there and now this president who has benefited greatly from both the lessons of the Bush administration as well as the security infrastructure that Bush set up following 911, yet Obama has done nothing to make this country more secure or prosperous he has led us down a path that has most Americans feeling worse not better about our country and its prospects in the future. President Obama is a failed leader and president, you can keep telling yourself otherwise but good luck with that, his biggest accomplishment contrary to popular belief has not been Obamacare as that is proving to be a disaster, but rather he has greatly widened the gap between the middle class and the uber rich! Where to you think that Trillion dollars that the FED is pumping each year in the form of monetary expansion is going? Do you see it having a positive impact in your community or state? Of course not, it is not making its way past Wall Street, where it is being put to use by the Big Banks and Institutional investment houses to make the uber rich even richer, all it is doing for the common American citizen is creating a bubble that when it bursts we will see high inflation and a second recession, the average American citizen will see what his nest egg and holdings take a big hit.
Obama has hurt us all, how is it that you big thinkers on the left can't figure this out? And, may the lord have mercy on those generations which follow this one.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
bgl wrote:
How do you think we can contain them; both Syria and Lebanon are on Israel's border and periodically shell and threaten Israel?
If I had the answer to that question Id become an instant Israeli hero and probably be branded by the Christians as the anti-Christ. My gut tells me that we (USA) support Israel with arms and technology and turn them loose. Id let the Russians and the Chinese know that we will stay out of any conflicts between Israel and their neighbors other than our arms and technology support. Russia and China can offer their allies the same support. Wed all stay out of the sandbox and let them fight it out amongst themselves but wed make it very clear that we would support Israel with all our might if any further support was offered her enemies, other than arms and technology. Its my gut feeling that Israel would put an end to it very quickly however the West would surely not approve of her methods.
bgl
Loc: Brooklyn,New York
Cragzop wrote:
Closer. Shah.
I meant no disrespect.
thanks for the correction - I thought you being funny
I could not have said it better!
Blurryeyed wrote:
No KW, you have read enough of my posts here to well know that I am no apologist for GW, even though I think that he has more integrity in his little finger than our current president has exhibited in his entire life. Having said that Bush made several mistakes, but at least when he took us into Iraq he had the support of the nation and the commitment of some 3 dozen nations who provided both financial and troop support for his effort even though it was misguided.
Yes, the dems can say that it was all based on lies but that is BS, even the FBI interview of Saddam lends insight as to why the intelligence was wrong, take the time and look it up, CBS did a long article on it. But that in and of itself does not make it right. He was wrong to put us in there and now this president who has benefited greatly from both the lessons of the Bush administration as well as the security infrastructure that Bush set up following 911 has done nothing to make this country more secure or prosperous. President Obama is a failed leader and president, you can keep telling yourself otherwise but good luck with that, his biggest accomplishment contrary to popular belief has not been Obamacare as that is proving to be a disaster, but rather he has greatly widened the gap between the middle class and the uber rich! Where to you think that Trillion dollars that the FED is pumping each year in the form of monetary expansion is going? Do you see it having a positive impact in your community or state? Of course not, it is not making its way past Wall Street, where it is being put to use by the Big Banks and Institutional investment houses to make the uber rich even richer, all it is doing for the common American citizen is creating a bubble that when it bursts we will see high inflation and a second recession, the average American citizen will see what his nest egg and holdings take a big hit.
Obama has hurt us all, how is it that you big thinkers on the left can't figure this out? And, may the lord have mercy on those generations which follow this one.
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bgl wrote:
you know he means the Sha (am I spelling it right?)
He means the Shaw of Eye-ran.
Blurryeyed wrote:
No KW, you have read enough of my posts here to well know that I am no apologist for GW, even though I think that he has more integrity in his little finger than our current president has exhibited in his entire life. Having said that Bush made several mistakes, but at least when he took us into Iraq he had the support of the nation, our congress, and the commitment of some 3 dozen nations who provided both financial and troop support for his effort even though it was misguided.
Yes, the dems can say that it was all based on lies but that is BS, the FBI interviews of Saddam lend insight as to why the intelligence was wrong, take the time and look it up, CBS did a long article on it. But that in and of itself does not make it right. He was wrong to put us in there and now this president who has benefited greatly from both the lessons of the Bush administration as well as the security infrastructure that Bush set up following 911, yet Obama has done nothing to make this country more secure or prosperous he has led us down a path that has most Americans feeling worse not better about our country and its prospects in the future. President Obama is a failed leader and president, you can keep telling yourself otherwise but good luck with that, his biggest accomplishment contrary to popular belief has not been Obamacare as that is proving to be a disaster, but rather he has greatly widened the gap between the middle class and the uber rich! Where to you think that Trillion dollars that the FED is pumping each year in the form of monetary expansion is going? Do you see it having a positive impact in your community or state? Of course not, it is not making its way past Wall Street, where it is being put to use by the Big Banks and Institutional investment houses to make the uber rich even richer, all it is doing for the common American citizen is creating a bubble that when it bursts we will see high inflation and a second recession, the average American citizen will see what his nest egg and holdings take a big hit.
Obama has hurt us all, how is it that you big thinkers on the left can't figure this out? And, may the lord have mercy on those generations which follow this one.
No KW, you have read enough of my posts here to we... (
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Blurry,Every pres has made mistakes but the present so-called President makes one everytime he opens his mouth & my grandchildren & yours will be paying for his screw-ups & lack of integrity their whole lives...Its just so much easier to blame everything on Dubya than cowboy up & try to do things right..looks like another long 3 years to me...Obamacare will prove to be unsustainable but how long will it take the politicians to figure this out..Syria..we lose either way..there is no winner
bgl
Loc: Brooklyn,New York
Pepper wrote:
If I had the answer to that question Id become an instant Israeli hero and probably be branded by the Christians as the anti-Christ. My gut tells me that we (USA) support Israel with arms and technology and turn them loose. Id let the Russians and the Chinese know that we will stay out of any conflicts between Israel and their neighbors other than our arms and technology support. Russia and China can offer their allies the same support. Wed all stay out of the sandbox and let them fight it out amongst themselves but wed make it very clear that we would support Israel with all our might if any further support was offered her enemies, other than arms and technology. Its my gut feeling that Israel would put an end to it very quickly however the West would surely not approve of her methods.
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If we look at recent history, Israel has had to fight with one arm behind its back because if it fought purely to win the collateral damage to the other side would be unimaginable. Israel is a tiny country in a sea of hostility. Technology has altered the balance; Israel's enemies can now reach Israel's interior with rockets without ever putting boots on Israel's ground. I think what the Israelis would need from us in the case of a war that threatened their existence is the threat that the US WOULD intervene militarily. The world has seen the awesome destructive power that the US can project and that should deter some countries from entering a fray against Israel.
bgl
Loc: Brooklyn,New York
I see that this discussion has degenerated into an irrational, fact-less slug fest. This is the time for me to bail!
I mostly agree with Gate's position. I don't see any good coming out of getting involved in a countries civil war. And just why would we arm potential enemies. I'm kind of tired of being the worlds non designated and unwanted police man.
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