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Aug 25, 2013 11:29:13   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
There is nothing surprising about Noam Chomsky's position on Obama's promise for change. He regards both ruling parties to be essentially the same; bankrolled by major corporations, thus serving the corporate interest over the national interest. Chomsky never believed in the Democratic Party, so he could not possibly be jumping ship. As a matter of fact, he criticized profusely the Clinton presidency, as well. He is a critic of the system, not an advocacy historian, journalist, or analyst.

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Aug 25, 2013 11:33:12   #
jvo Loc: left coast of the east coast
 
when one republican disagrees with another, isn't that discussion, or debating, or opinion, or argument, or an attempt to influence?

maybe they don't allow that among republicans - democrats do.

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Aug 25, 2013 12:16:42   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
PrairieSeasons wrote:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/chomsky-palin-was-right-about-obamas-hopey-changey-gimmick/

It appears that Noam Chomsky did say those things. I'm a bit surprised that you aren't more of a Chomsky follower as he is the more intellectual and coherent spokesman for Obama's ideology.

What he was pointing out in that interview reinforces things that Chomsky has said over the past five years of Obama's presidency. Chomsky agrees with Obama (in fact, it should be stated the other way - Obama agrees with Chomsky). Chomsky just doesn't believe that Obama has the tools necessary to actually accomplish what he says he will accomplish.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/chomsky-palin-wa... (show quote)


Chomsky is so far to the left that he meets the right. Both have a very narrow view of politics and how a country should be run. Stay away from both sides and you'll be way better off. If we can't compromise and deal with issues that benefit the most people, then what good are we?

All we have now are extremists who care nothing for anyone/thing except themselves and those like them. It's way past the time we should be calling them all out.

The Congress is a world embarrassment and Obama is out of his league. And I too voted for him. But it is evident that he, like the Right, is nothing more than a tool of corporatists and banksters. They are all cut from the same cloth, just cut at either ends of it. They are making noise and drowning out those of us who want a middle way. disgusting

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Aug 25, 2013 12:28:55   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Gitzo UH wrote:
Looks like the rats are finally waking up and jumping off the ship !


Writing a recent column for The Guardian, journalism professor and prominent Democrat Jeff Jarvis took President Barack Obama to task for betraying those who voted for him with unConstitutional policies.

Jarvis’s column begins:
What are you thinking, Mr President?
Is this really the legacy you want for yourself: the chief executive who trampled rights, destroyed privacy, heightened secrecy, ruined trust, and worst of all, did not defend but instead detoured around so many of the fundamental principles on which this country is founded?
And I voted for you. I’ll confess you were a second choice. I supported Hillary Clinton first. I said at the time that your rhetoric about change was empty and that I feared you would be another Jimmy Carter: aggressively ineffectual.
Never did I imagine that you would instead become another Richard Nixon: imperial, secretive, vindictive, untrustworthy, inexplicable.

The professor, whose bio flaunts an impressive list of media career accomplishments, goes on to express his disdain for the President’s policies from the perspective of 9/11 survivor, journalist, American citizen, Internet user and Democrat.

He writes:
I do care about security. I survived the attack on the World Trade Center and I believe 9/11 was allowed to occur through a failure of intelligence. I thank TSA agents for searching me: applause for security theater. I defend government’s necessary secrets…
… As a journalist, I am frightened by your vengeful attacks on whistleblowers – Manning, Assange, Snowden, and the rest – and the impact in turn on journalism and its tasks of keeping a watchful eye on you and helping to assure an informed citizenry.

As a citizen, I am disgusted by the systematic evasion of oversight you have supported through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) courts; by the use of ports as lawless zones where your agents can harass anyone; by your failure on your promise to close Guantánamo, and this list could go on.

As an American often abroad, I am embarrassed by the damage you have caused to our reputation and to others’ trust in us. I find myself apologizing for what you are doing to citizens of other nations, dismissing the idea that they have rights to privacy because they are “foreign”.

As an internet user, I am most fearful of the impact of your wanton destruction of privacy and the resulting collapse of trust in the net and what that will do to the freedom we have enjoyed in it as well as the business and jobs that are being built atop it.

And as a Democrat, I worry that you are losing us the next election, handing an issue to the Republicans that should have been ours: protecting the rights of citizens against the overreach of the security state.

The author goes on to suggest a num
ber of ways that the President could go about regaining the trust of some of his former supporters. Read the full piece here.

Jarvis is one of many Democrats and American liberals who have lost faith in President Obama’s promise of “hope” and “change” in America under his Administration.

In a recent interview with Democracy Now, influential polemicist and MIT professor Noam Chomsky said Sarah Palin was right about Barack Obama: There was no substance to his Presidential campaign.

“I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when she was making fun of this ‘hopey changey stuff,’ she was right; there was nothing there,” Chomsky said. “And it was understood by the people who run the political system, and so it’s no great secret that the US electoral system is mainly a public relations extravaganza… it’s sort of a marketing affair.”

Culture critic, author and self-proclaimed eternal optimist for old school liberalism Camille Paglia penned a recent column similar in tone to Jarvis’s for Salon. In her piece she took Obama and Hillary Clinton to task for the Benghazi fiasco.
Looks like the rats are finally waking up and jump... (show quote)


What I find humorous about this is when you read his entire Guardian article its clear he condemns Obama's behavior, implying he is becoming more right wing, and abandoning liberal principles. Maybe you should be supporting Obama!

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Aug 25, 2013 13:11:32   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
jvo wrote:
when one republican disagrees with another, isn't that discussion, or debating, or opinion, or argument, or an attempt to influence?
maybe they don't allow that among republicans - democrats do.

I am not sure what point you are attempting to make?

Also, as stated by PNagy, Mr Chomsky is not a Democrat nor a Republican. 8-)

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Aug 25, 2013 13:25:43   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
jvo wrote:
when one republican disagrees with another, isn't that discussion, or debating, or opinion, or argument, or an attempt to influence?

maybe they don't allow that among republicans - democrats do.


You seem to be implying that all Republicans speak with one voice. While neither party does that, its the libs that frequently get stuck on their talking points and have all their media advocates sounding like clones.

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Aug 25, 2013 13:45:10   #
Donld
 
Is the crudity and condescending meanness necessary?

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Aug 25, 2013 13:53:19   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
Donld wrote:
Is the crudity and condescending meanness necessary?


It would be helpful to the discussion if you would hit "quote reply" or otherwise indicate who you are addressing.

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Aug 25, 2013 14:28:39   #
Donld
 
Sorry. I seldom enter these discussions, and may never again. Reference was to message from (apparently liberal) commenter who seemed unable to characterize differing views without reference to defecation.

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Aug 25, 2013 14:46:37   #
Audwulf Loc: Golden State
 
Open Mouth, Insert foot.
tschmath wrote:
Funny thing. I went to the Democracy Now website and did a search for Noah Chomsky, and nothing came up. So I have to believe that the rest of this post is as much bullshit as that part.

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Aug 25, 2013 14:49:02   #
Audwulf Loc: Golden State
 
You gotta be kidding. That lady is a walking ad for Midol
donrent wrote:
Does anybody think that Hillery would or can be any better for the country ???

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Aug 25, 2013 15:22:15   #
Donld
 
jvo wrote:
when one republican disagrees with another, isn't that discussion, or debating, or opinion, or argument, or an attempt to influence?

maybe they don't allow that among republicans - democrats do.


Really?

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Aug 25, 2013 15:52:54   #
cudakite Loc: San Antonio
 
Notice how mathboy disappeared? HaHaHa!

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Aug 25, 2013 15:57:09   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Donld wrote:
Is the crudity and condescending meanness necessary?


Of course. What fun would it be without it? :roll:

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Aug 25, 2013 16:00:42   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
cudakite wrote:
Notice how mathboy disappeared? HaHaHa!


Just another liberal idiot who can't handle the truth. Needs to stick to math. If he can even handle that. Probably teaching in a public school with a degree from a state run diploma mill where if you drive through the campus with the window down someone will toss in a degree. :thumbup:

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