Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

That's a new one on me -- communists calling themselves socialists because they think the term "communist" has a bad connotation. Republicans call democrats socialists and call socialists communist. And then "it follows as the night doth follow day" that democrats must be communists. Many Republicans are playing a nomenclature shell game.

Shutter Bugger

I've known a double digit IQed fvckwit who has been a member of the "International Socialist Organisation" for a very long time. He's a dyed in the wool Marxist. He even treasures at least one of Karl Marx books, if I remember correctly it's the "Communist Manifesto".

If you would like to see the world record largest pile of horse shit go here: http://www.internationalsocialist.org/

gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky

I don't need scientists or political idealogues to tell me if climate change is occurring. The same fossil fuels blamed for climate change are creating problems which I can see with my own eyes and that is the evidence I need regardless of "climate change". If you do much landscape photography in the eastern U.S., you have seen vistas where a very unnatural haze exists resulting from the pollution caused by the combustion of coal. We know that we can't see as far from mountaintops in the Smokies as we used to because of air pollution and we know that acid rain resulting from the burning of fossil fuels has negatively impacted plant life in the Smokies. At least there are still mountains in the Smokies. Where I live in KY, many mountains have had their tops blasted of in mountaintop removal mining to get to the deeply buried coal. As photographers, how would you feel if a coal company bombed your favorite nature scene or the area around your home? This happens to the people of Appalachia so that the rest of us can have our "cheap energy". If coal existed under the Grand Canyon or Yosemite, would we blast those areas into oblivion? As photographers and lovers of nature, would this really not bother you, regardless of whether you are conservative or liberal? We should be moving toward alternative energy sources whether or not "climate change" is occurring due to human activity. I will turn 60 years old this week and I have arrived at this viewpoint based on changes I see with my own eyes.

jcjr8

With all due respect Richard, the scandal of "Climategate" was brought on by the top global warming scientists admitting in emails that the earth's climate has been in decline for the past decade. That is undisputed and the reason the whole name of the scam was changed form Global Warming to Climate Change. I heard a research report last week that the earth's temperature has risen 1 degree in the last century. Be sure and check your sources before you quote research reports.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Read through the Communist goals as published in the 1963 Congressional record, and if you have any intellectual honesty determine how many relate to the Democrats vs. Republicans, or even both. I think the scales tilt decidedly left. I think #'s 15, 17, 25, & 26 are very telling. I believe that I've seen you follow at least somewhat #'s 29 & 30 in your own writings here on the hog.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

With mutual respect, may I explain to you that the term was not changed. They are two entirely separate terms. They refer to two different things. Global warming concerns the overall increase in average temperatures throughout the globe. Climate change refers to the change in temperature (up or down, depending on the location and many, many other factors computer simulations take into account to make predictions) of specific locations. Climate change, according to the dictionary, is location specific. The locations, as I have heard the term used, may be small or large, but they are still specific locations

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

It was a repy to a post by Ole Sarg (which you realize).

The point is if 53% of Democrats find Socialism favorable then one could deduce that some, if not all, of that 53% would advocate for Socialistic practices and policies. 8-)

jcjr8

Richard, the fact remains that the earth has been cooling for over a decade and that fact was being kept from the public by design. As soon as the scandal was uncovered, the use of "Global Warming" as an alarm trigger was abandoned by the government and press and replaced by "Climate Change" which is far less specific and easily manipulated. Obviously you believe in the climate change theory and I'll respect that but I remain skeptical pending collaborative research pointing in one direction or the other conclusively. Right now there is equally compelling research coming from both camps. I just offer one piece of advise, make sure your conviction on this issue are based on science and not politics.

jcjr8

The goal of socialism is to redistribute the wealth. The goal of Communism is to establish equal wealth. Call it what you will either is a massive intrusion on the personal liberty and freedom we are guaranteed in this country by our founding documents. If you want Socialism move to Denmark. If you want Communism move to North Korea. If you want either you don't belong in America.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Seems that even in Socialist or Communist counties, you still have class differences. The ruling class has all the money & power & the people not so much...

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Scott, I remember descriptions of the class differences in the Soviet Union -- and these differences were very marked -- in 1959. I can place the date because I remember the research paper and the class I was in when I read it.

jcjr8

You're absolutely right Scott. There will always be those who have more than everyone else and no governmental system can change that because it's just one of the laws of nature. The strongest will always eat best. The problem comes when some begin to feel the strongest should be made weak in the name of fairness. When this happens, the whole herd becomes weak and will eventually die off. We need the wealthy and the poor to have a healthy and balanced society. No one ever said nature was fair or sensitive.

Shutter Bugger

Happy Birthday Gorgehiker,

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

What is a "healthy" society ? Sounds like what the advertising people call a "buzz word." Please define for us.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Since this is a thread about climate change, I thought I would post the following URL about how climate change is going to cause the inundation of a lot of places, according to scientific projections.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/30-0