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Jul 22, 2013 20:27:57   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
PNagy wrote:
Pepper: GZ was on patrol, he was doing his duty as the neighborhood watch volunteer. That’s what the neighborhood watch people do, they watch the neighborhood and TM didn’t want anyone watching him.


Conch: Pretty weak answer. TM didn't attack anyone else on his way home.


Nagy: What is weak is your response, not Pepper's. The argument that Martin did not attack anyone else that night is hardly any reason to judge his attack that night. Whether it was justified or not does not hinge on whether it was the only time he had done it that night. By that measure all of us would be free to beat the crap out of one person a night.
Pepper: GZ was on patrol, he was doing his duty as... (show quote)


Nagy, I have come to expect better out of you. No one except GZ knows precisely what happend. I don't know and neither do you.
A possible scenerio : TM doubled back to find out why GZ was following him.
A confrontation ensued. We don't know exactly what was said between them.
GZ was getting the worst of he mele and decided to use his weapon to end it.
It seems to me that the injuries would have been more severe than a few scratches that needed no stitches if his head was being pounded on concrete.
That being said, I don't know what other verdict could have been rendered based on evidence that was presented only by the defendant's version of events.
I'm not saying that GZ lied. I only said that we don't know and have to accept his version.

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Jul 22, 2013 20:29:15   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
RDH wrote:
That the 911 "operator" acted in behalf of the police. That Zimmerman and Martin may have acted within the law, but stupidly and the result is that a teenager is dead. That the "Stand Your Ground" law is an open invitation to abuse, even its author now has regrets for sponsoring it. That Zimmerman, intentionally or not is largely responsible for the result. Is that clear enough?


The "Stand your ground" defense was not used in this case.

However, I heard in the news that 33% of the people that have successfully used the "stand your ground" defense are black.

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Jul 22, 2013 20:30:33   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
NOSLEEP wrote:
July 22, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his controversial acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.
July 22, 2013 br br http://abcnews.go.com/US/geor... (show quote)


A new super hero has emerged ! :)

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Jul 22, 2013 21:30:23   #
alaskan
 
NOSLEEP wrote:
July 22, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his controversial acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.
July 22, 2013 br br http://abcnews.go.com/US/geor... (show quote)


The article takes care to mention what color was the SUV but not the race of the family.In today`s post racial America race seems very important so why suddenly we are not informed? Could it be that the family was black and GZ would look less "racist"?

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Jul 22, 2013 21:45:06   #
PatrickTheCop Loc: Spartanburg, SC
 
KW Conch wrote:
...The only problem is that TM didn't have an opportunity to present his side of the case....


Yes he did. It was presented by the state.

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Jul 22, 2013 21:50:58   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
PatrickTheCop wrote:
Yes he did. It was presented by the state.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 22, 2013 21:52:53   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
alaskan wrote:
The article takes care to mention what color was the SUV but not the race of the family.In today`s post racial America race seems very important so why suddenly we are not informed? Could it be that the family was black and GZ would look less "racist"?


No. In a "post racial America" what difference would knowledge of skin colour make to the general public...
In a racial America skin colour would be of heightened interest...

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Jul 22, 2013 22:38:12   #
sshinn1 Loc: Phoenix
 
KW Conch wrote:
The verdict doesn't affect my life at all. I don't really care. I just find it amusing that almost all of the conservatives were defending GZ the day after the story appeared. This was before any of the facts appeared.
Look over this board. Long before the trial, conservatives were defending GZ. At this point I'm sure GZ wishes he had called 911 and then let the police handle everything from there.
I don't want to rehash all this again. It's over. The jury based it's verdict on what they had to work with.
It was strange that the night that the jury went into deliberations, the Drudge Report was running reports on how biased the judge was. Just preparing excuses in case the verdict came in the "wrong" way.
The verdict doesn't affect my life at all. I don't... (show quote)


But you don't find it "amusing" that all of the liberals were calling Zimmerman a racist and trying to convict him in the court of public opinion before any of the facts were known. Or even more amusing that they continue to make it a race issue and insist Zimmerman is guilty of murder after all the facts have come out and exonerated Zimmerman.

I would say the only thing "amusing" here is your incredible double standard, but there is nothing amusing about it - it is sad and pathetic.

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Jul 22, 2013 22:43:53   #
alaskan
 
NOSLEEP wrote:
No. In a "post racial America" what difference would knowledge of skin colour make to the general public...
In a racial America skin colour would be of heightened interest...


Unfortunately you did not understand the sarcasm of my post,read it again.People crying for "racial equality" like A.Sharpton and others keep milking the race issue because in post-racial America they would be nobody. That is why the frenzy developed around T.M./G.Z. and somehow a conflict between a Hispanic and an African american turned out to be the white man`s fault.And president Obama had to beat the white guilt drum and to pour gasoline on the flame. You do not get post-racial America by having a double standards, I am well aware that :
it is OK to say "black is beautiful" and not to be called a racist but if you say "white is beautiful" you are racist.
We have a "Black History Month" but to have a "White History Month" would be racist.We have a TV show "Our World With Black Enterprise" but "Our World With White Enterprise" would be racist.We have "Ebony,the Magazine of Black Living" but it would be racist to have "Ivory,the Magazine of White Living" and so on. We were also told "crazy a** cracker" used by an African american is not racist but the N-word is racist if used by a white person.Go figure. In truly post-racial America we would not have double standards,would we?

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Jul 22, 2013 22:44:38   #
sshinn1 Loc: Phoenix
 
PNagy wrote:
Your reasoning is illogical; Martin did not attack anyone else THAt night, therefore Zimmerman must have done something to provoke him. By that standard all of us can brutally beat one person per night, because if that was the only one, we must have been provoked. The facts indicate that Zimmerman shot Martin to put an end to the assault Martin was visiting on him. There is no evidence of any injury Zimmerman caused Martin, except for the fatal shot in self defense. Like all Martin advocates, you justify his assault before any injury, but do not grant Zimmerman even the right to self defense against proven injuries.
Your reasoning is illogical; Martin did not attack... (show quote)


Actually I think it is perfectly logical - Zimmerman clearly provoked Martin. He had the gall to follow and observe him as he was casing houses, I wonder who doesn't like that to happen, criminals or kiddies on their way home to eat Skittles and drink iced tea...

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Jul 22, 2013 22:54:24   #
Dennis kaplan Loc: Richardson, TX
 
:thumbdown:

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Jul 22, 2013 22:57:16   #
Dennis kaplan Loc: Richardson, TX
 
:thumbup:

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Jul 22, 2013 23:40:17   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
sshinn1 wrote:
Actually I think it is perfectly logical - Zimmerman clearly provoked Martin. He had the gall to follow and observe him as he was casing houses, I wonder who doesn't like that to happen, criminals or kiddies on their way home to eat Skittles and drink iced tea...


So....you were there to see that TM was casing houses ?

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Jul 22, 2013 23:45:46   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
alaskan wrote:
Unfortunately you did not understand the sarcasm of my post,read it again.People crying for "racial equality" like A.Sharpton and others keep milking the race issue because in post-racial America they would be nobody. That is why the frenzy developed around T.M./G.Z. and somehow a conflict between a Hispanic and an African american turned out to be the white man`s fault.And president Obama had to beat the white guilt drum and to pour gasoline on the flame. You do not get post-racial America by having a double standards, I am well aware that :
it is OK to say "black is beautiful" and not to be called a racist but if you say "white is beautiful" you are racist.
We have a "Black History Month" but to have a "White History Month" would be racist.We have a TV show "Our World With Black Enterprise" but "Our World With White Enterprise" would be racist.We have "Ebony,the Magazine of Black Living" but it would be racist to have "Ivory,the Magazine of White Living" and so on. We were also told "crazy a** cracker" used by an African american is not racist but the N-word is racist if used by a white person.Go figure. In truly post-racial America we would not have double standards,would we?
Unfortunately you did not understand the sarcasm o... (show quote)


I had a 50-50 chance of reading it right... I agree. The double standard is a significant element responsible for lessening the odds of achieving a future post racial America...

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Jul 23, 2013 00:15:25   #
sshinn1 Loc: Phoenix
 
KW Conch wrote:
So....you were there to see that TM was casing houses ?


Does it matter? He had run away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman had no idea where he was and was heading back to his car to wait for the police.

My point was, generally people who aren't up to no good or looking for trouble wouldn't make the decision to circle back, find the person who had disrespected/scared/followed them or whatever reason he might give if he could and try to bash their head in on the ground.

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